Can a good Muslim be a good American?

[bljones]

I was talking about viet nam.

[Sixpoint]

touche

[knothead]

Originally Posted by JimMcGee

Mike, why do you feel the need to post this stuff on a sailing web site when there are so many political sites on the Web?

Why shouldn't he post what ever he wants on this website. He posts it in the right forums.
Whether or not you agree or disagree, doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to post it.
Posting on a political website would be more like preaching to the choir or to those of the opposite viewpoints. What's the point in that. Here he is trying to reach those who maybe don't spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff.
The same reason that I post environmental stuff here and not on an environmental website. I'm trying to reach people who might not have thought about it much.
What's wrong with that?

[trisstan87]

Well my qualm with Muslims is the same as my qualms with christains or jews. Intolerance. They all preach differing versions of tolerance, but seldom are these teachings carried out.
Case in point:
Burn a Quran day = Intolerant and ignorant Christains who see ALL muslims as radicalized terrorist.
Death to America protest directly tied to the burn a Quran day = intolerant and ignorant muslims who see ALL americans as satanist and infidel.
Religion is a catalyst for human pain and misery. No I am not an atheist, I am just tired of organized religions corrupting the human populace.

[Sixpoint]

Originally Posted by trisstan87

Well my qualm with Muslims is the same as my qualms with christains or jews. Intolerance. They all preach differing versions of tolerance, but seldom are these teachings carried out.
Case in point:
Burn a Quran day = Intolerant and ignorant Christains who see ALL muslims as radicalized terrorist.
Death to America protest directly tied to the burn a Quran day = intolerant and ignorant muslims who see ALL americans as satanist and infidel.
Religion is a catalyst for human pain and misery. No I am not an atheist, I am just tired of organized religions corrupting the human populace.

I sometimes wish this forum had a "like" button.

Couldn't have said it better.

[bljones]

Originally Posted by trisstan87

I am just tired of organized religions

I gotta say, i am a big fan of disorganized religions- nobody ever seems to know the words to the hymns or the prayers, it's okay to make change from the offertory plate, and you have holidays like roshamadanukah where everybody eats the one food the whole planet can agree on: twinkies. oh yeah, and no door to door sales.

[Sixpoint]

Originally Posted by bljones

I gotta say, i am a big fan of disorganized religions- nobody ever seems to know the words to the hymns or the prayers, it's okay to make change from the offertory plate, and you have holidays like roshamadanukah where everybody eats the one food the whole planet can agree on: twinkies. oh yeah, and no door to door sales.

OMG LOL!!!

THAT made my day.

[hellosailor]

" at least we haven't declaired war on everyone who doesn't go along with my Christian ideas."
Hmmm...So the Crusades (first million or two victims were non-infidels in Europe), the Spanish Inquisition, the forced conversions of infidels, all that stuff wasn't declared war, so it was any better?
All that Islam is doing is THE SAME THING CHRISTIANITY DID. Both are Judaic reform movements and Islam is just 700 years younger than Christianity, making all the same zealous sins 700 years later.

Anyone who wants to discuss Islam and the Muslim (black prisoner reborn in the US prison system) or Moslem problems today, really needs to start by reading a (heretical English translation of the) Koran as well as some of the secular scholarly commentary on the Old Testament. (I'd say "Bible" but Christians have usurpted that term.) The "One God" in question made it quite clear that there is not one god, but rather, multiple gods and that this one was making a deal in exchange for exclusive allegiance by one group of people. The concept of "there's only one god, really" is a latter day corruption of Judaism which was faithfully repeated in both Christianty and Islam, and has led to nothing but strife ever since.

There's a lot of beauty in the Koran, but also an awful lot of "You'll burn forever in the fires of hell! Or else!" Just a tad too much, it might be.

[JimMcGee]

Originally Posted by knothead

Why shouldn't he post what ever he wants on this website. He posts it in the right forums...

The same reason that I post environmental stuff here and not on an environmental website. I'm trying to reach people who might not have thought about it much.
What's wrong with that?

Knothead you raise a good point. I tend to look first at the new posts and I've been seeing a lot of posts from Mike that, like this one, seem full of anger and mis-information. That just feels completely at odds with why I sail and why I come to sailnet -- and honestly I edited my post. My first reaction was a bit stronger.

That said I can draw a line from environmental concerns to sailing. I can even see some political issues like dredging, use taxes on boats and enforcement issues. I have a tough time seeing the connection from bigoted hate speech to sailing. YMMV.

Originally Posted by trisstan87

Religion is a catalyst for human pain and misery. No I am not an atheist, I am just tired of organized religions corrupting the human populace.

Amen. More blood has been spilt in the name of God than for any other reason. That's the real danger, as the rhetoric amps up there are nut jobs on both sides who are all to willing to take things too far.

Originally Posted by bljones

I gotta say, i am a big fan of disorganized religions- nobody ever seems to know the words to the hymns or the prayers, it's okay to make change from the offertory plate, and you have holidays like roshamadanukah where everybody eats the one food the whole planet can agree on: twinkies. oh yeah, and no door to door sales.

We've talked seriously about starting the Church of $hit Happens. The whole philosophy of the church is when life turns to $hit, you just say "$hit happens" and have another beer. That's pretty much the whole theology, the main tenant of the religion being you are required to keep beer in the fridge.

Jim

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by bljones

I gotta say, i am a big fan of disorganized religions- nobody ever seems to know the words to the hymns or the prayers, it's okay to make change from the offertory plate, and you have holidays like roshamadanukah where everybody eats the one food the whole planet can agree on: twinkies. oh yeah, and no door to door sales.

Will you entertain the thought of changing the communion waffer to salami and cheeze on a cracker ??