Was Jesus executed as a thief?

[US27inKS]

I was poking around on a searchable bible site searching for a passage, and I ran across a real gem. In Luke 19 it seems that Jesus sent his henchmen to the local village to steal a horse. The thieves were caught by the owner, but got away. After some searching I found a few papers indicating that it was common in the roman empire for thieves to be executed. This would explain why Jesus was crucified along with 2 thieves.

However, in case of a concealed taking being the criminal caught on the spot (or after house search on closed premises, an extension of the concept resembling somewhat the Roman lanceet licio search) -handhafter Diebstahl- was subject to more severe penalties, often involving execution of the thief

http://www.indret.com/pdf/276_en.pdf

[ssneade]

to get a donkey. a donkey to sit upon for his grand arrival to jerusalem. i believe there was some objection by the owner at first, but he eventually relented and gave the donkey to them. of course, i wasn't there so my credibility as a witness is shot to hell....

[Sailormon6]

I read that passage, and it doesn't sound at all like Jesus sent his disciples to steal a horse. He sent them to borrow a horse, with the consent of the owner.

The passage reads: "...Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him."

They apparently talked to the owner and identified their "master" who had directed them to bring the horse (The Lord), and there is no indication that the owner objected. Apparently, the horse was used with the owner's consent, and that is not theft.

It's one thing to accuse politicians of being horse thieves, but can't we agree to give The Lord the benefit of the doubt?

[WanderingStar]

I seriously think that people who feel compelled to attack and mock religion have some kind of sickness. If you don't believe, that's fine. Why do you wish to offend others because of their sincere beliefs? Didn't you get past trying to feel superior by being mean in middle school?

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

It's one thing to accuse politicians of being horse thieves, but can't we agree to give The Lord the benefit of the doubt?

Whilst I actually agree with your interpretation of the passages in question, I have to disagree with your above. I personally have found people claiming to be the Messiah or a prophet of one tend to be characters one should never give the benefit of the doubt.

[knothead]

Originally Posted by BentSailor

Whilst I actually agree with your interpretation of the passages in question, I have to disagree with your above. I personally have found people claiming to be the Messiah or a prophet of one tend to be characters one should never give the benefit of the doubt.

"can't we agree to give The Lord the benefit of the doubt? "

I actually thought the line was a classic.

Even with the benefit of historical records about the man Jesus, We still are happily blaming Him for everything that man has done in His name.
That says more about us than it does Him.

[pdqaltair]

Originally Posted by knothead

"can't we agree to give The Lord the benefit of the doubt? "

I actually thought the line was a classic.

Even with the benefit of historical records about the man Jesus, We still are happily blaming Him for everything that man has done in His name.
That says more about us than it does Him.

Historical records?

Oral tradition. Detailed analysis seems a fools errand to me. Discussion of the value we find in it is very worthwhile.

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by BentSailor

Whilst I actually agree with your interpretation of the passages in question, I have to disagree with your above. I personally have found people claiming to be the Messiah or a prophet of one tend to be characters one should never give the benefit of the doubt.

That's OK for those who are not adherents to the particular religion, but for adherents, faith is called for. In Mat 7:15, the Bible says, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." False prophets can be found everywhere, but, to the faithful of any particular religion, there is but one true God.

[bwalker42]

Originally Posted by US27inKS

I was poking around on a searchable bible site searching for a passage, and I ran across a real gem. In Luke 19 it seems that Jesus sent his henchmen to the local village to steal a horse. The thieves were caught by the owner, but got away. After some searching I found a few papers indicating that it was common in the roman empire for thieves to be executed. This would explain why Jesus was crucified along with 2 thieves.

http://www.indret.com/pdf/276_en.pdf

Jesus was crucified between two thieves because it was prophesied prior, and thus the prophecy was fulfilled.

The earth is the Lord's and the fulness of it, God can't steal anything, it already belongs to Him. God knew where to send His Son's closest friends to get what He needed.
It's the only place in the bible where I have ever saw it said He needed anything.

The Lord had a need, and it was immediately fulfilled as promised. The Lord did good works, for which one of those works did He not deserve the little colt?



I don't think I would be making false accusations about the only begotten Son of God.

"He who rejects My Son, rejects Me." Yehweh

Kinda crazy to deny Christ only to go to hell. Your future unless you change your mind. The Good News is that Jesus loves you, and your breathing so theirs still hope.

[bwalker42]

Originally Posted by knothead

"can't we agree to give The Lord the benefit of the doubt? "

I actually thought the line was a classic.

Even with the benefit of historical records about the man Jesus, We still are happily blaming Him for everything that man has done in His name.
That says more about us than it does Him.

If you ask God to show you the Wolves in sheeps clothing, He will!!
All you have to do is ask And they are out believe me, I've seen many, unfortunately! But Jesus did warn about that too.