Swat team pumps 60 rounds into innocent Vet

[bwalker42]

Bloody, Mad Uncle Sam!


Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Marine Veteran 60 Times - ABC News

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by bwalker42

Bloody, Mad Uncle Sam!


Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Marine Veteran 60 Times - ABC News

How about waiting for ALL the facts before assuming an out of control Big Brother is assassinating regular Americans for no good reason?

[PCP]

Originally Posted by SloopJonB

How about waiting for ALL the facts before assuming an out of control Big Brother is assassinating regular Americans for no good reason?

Shooting 60 times a guy? where is minimum force for a required action (preventing him to shoot)?

Regards

Paulo

[RAGNAR]

Originally Posted by PCP

Shooting 60 times a guy? where is minimum force for a required action (preventing him to shoot)?

I can tell you that NYPD used to be trained to be empty their pistol clips in such confrontations (I'm not up on current protocols.) The reason they don't shoot a round or two, then assess, is that it's very, very difficult for even a trained shooter to get a pistol round on target.

A few years ago, NYPD officers confronted a young immigrant on the stoop of his apartment building. He he reached for his wallet thinking they were demanding ID, not that he "freeze". The police, pistols already drawn, thought he was reaching for a weapon and opened fire. Of the 41 rounds they fired in no time, 19 hit this young man; that's in close proximity, with the young man being more or less stationary, and the police having multiple, clean lines on him.

It's not as easy as we think for law enforcement to fire on a human being. The pressures and conflicts are incredible. Add that they're usually outgunned and that they usually don't have the initiative, and it's amazing that more of us aren't shot accidentally.

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by RAGNAR

I can tell you that NYPD used to be trained to be empty their pistol clips in such confrontations (I'm not up on current protocols.) The reason they don't shoot a round or two, then assess, is that it's very, very difficult for even a trained shooter to get a pistol round on target.

A few years ago, NYPD officers confronted a young immigrant on the stoop of his apartment building. He he reached for his wallet thinking they were demanding ID, not that he "freeze". The police, pistols already drawn, thought he was reaching for a weapon and opened fire. Of the 41 rounds they fired in no time, 19 hit this young man; that's in close proximity, with the young man being more or less stationary, and the police having multiple, clean lines on him.

It's not as easy as we think for law enforcement to fire on a human being. The pressures and conflicts are incredible. Add that they're usually outgunned and that they usually don't have the initiative, and it's amazing that more of us aren't shot accidentally.

Absolutely right. All too many people think the movie & TV idea of shooting to wound or shooting the weapon out of their hand is reality.

Even shooting accurately in the no stress environment of a target range or trap shooting is extremely difficult - what is must be like to be accurate in a life & death situation is beyond my comprehension.

[RAGNAR]

Originally Posted by SloopJonB

Absolutely right.

I gotta rethink this one . . .

[WouldaShoulda]

ARTICLE~A spokesman for Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said he could not discuss whether any drugs had been found at the home or make any other comment. "We're waiting for the investigation to be complete," he said.

Isn't that the Dipshit that blamed rhetoric for the Madman shooting the Congresswoman??

Yep, and worse...

Submit this storydigg reddit stumble After Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head and a number of others were wounded or killed in a shooting in Tucson, Ariz. on Saturday, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said that the state has "become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Addressing the tragedy at a news conference, the sheriff said that law enforcement had reason to believe that Giffords was specifically targeted in the attack. He added that evidence suggests one suspect -- 22-year-old Jared Loughner, who is already in custody -- likely did not act alone.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806303.html

Maybe this will finally be the end of his "career"

[bwalker42]

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Maybe this will finally be the end of his "career"[/QUOTE]

One can only hope

[bwalker42]

Originally Posted by SloopJonB

How about waiting for ALL the facts before assuming an out of control Big Brother is assassinating regular Americans for no good reason?

Really? Whose side are you on anyway?

[bwalker42]

Originally Posted by RAGNAR

I can tell you that NYPD used to be trained to be empty their pistol clips in such confrontations (I'm not up on current protocols.) The reason they don't shoot a round or two, then assess, is that it's very, very difficult for even a trained shooter to get a pistol round on target.

A few years ago, NYPD officers confronted a young immigrant on the stoop of his apartment building. He he reached for his wallet thinking they were demanding ID, not that he "freeze". The police, pistols already drawn, thought he was reaching for a weapon and opened fire. Of the 41 rounds they fired in no time, 19 hit this young man; that's in close proximity, with the young man being more or less stationary, and the police having multiple, clean lines on him.

It's not as easy as we think for law enforcement to fire on a human being. The pressures and conflicts are incredible. Add that they're usually outgunned and that they usually don't have the initiative, and it's amazing that more of us aren't shot accidentally.

Unreasonable and excessive force! Un-excusable!