Occupy Wall Street.. I was there

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by HeartsContent

Liberals don't do charity

Always interesting to be told what I do and don't do. I suppose I should cancel my donations to the rural fire service & the PCYC then get my wife to stop her donations to the house with no steps.

[PBzeer]

PB, Instead of regurgitating what you hear on TV, take the time to research a little more. You know, get to know the "enemy"...

I don't even own a TV, nor do I listen to talk radio. I form my opinions by reading the whole spectrum of American media and many foreign papers. In a phrase, "You know, get to know the "enemy"... ".

[LandLocked66c]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

I don't even own a TV, nor do I listen to talk radio. I form my opinions by reading the whole spectrum of American media and many foreign papers. In a phrase, "You know, get to know the "enemy"... ".

Yah, whatever man...

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by HeartsContent

It's so easy to stir the weak minded with anger and hate.

So, Obama's rich and all of the Hollywood morons are rich. They only seem to be interested in seizing other peoples money and hold onto their own.

We're all wealthy compared to most of the rest of the world so before you shoot your mouth off let's see you give your wealth away.

Liberals don't do charity

You mean like that rocket surgeon Rosanne Barr? She advocates the beheading of people who want to retain wealth in excess of 100 mil. Her net worth just happens to be 80 mil. Funny how that works isn't it?

[remetau]

Originally Posted by bljones

Yeah, but did you VOTE for (or against) any of them?
Votes = change.


Riddle me this:
Voter turnout is at an all-time low. Voting takes only minutes, and can enact real change. Yet less than half of those under the age of 50 do it. Meanwhile that SAME DEMOGRAPHIC are willing to turn out for hours or days at an "occupation" (anyone else note the militaristic irony of that word?) that creates news images, sound bites and Facebook buzz... but will be forgotten long before the next election.

You want change? Create it. Don't just bitch about the now, put forward an alternative plan for the future.

Something to think about:
No matter what your political ideology,
WE ALL WANT A BETTER WORLD.

So here's my challenge, as a centrist, realist, fiscal conservative, social moderate:
Quick, all of you Occupation Supporters- if you were king of the world, what would be your blueprint for change, and how would the world look five years from now as a result?

If you don't have an answer, then shut up.
You're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Criticism is easy. Anybody on any side can do it. Negativity is seductive, and simple and soothing, because it is always easy to find another person willing to share the pity party.
But turning that criticism into practical policy that will attract the masses?

Give it a try. Lay out your idea of the future, and get me to back your play.

I don't vote, because voting doesn't work. It doesn't change the system, it just changes the policies of the system. I think this is why most young people don't bother to vote. They want something different than twiddle dee or twiddle dum.

What we need to do is start breaking the system down, because it doesn't work. We need to switch to localization or tribalism if you will, because it works and has worked since it's inception.

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by LandLocked66c

It's not hard to understand...

Did the uprisings in the middle east bring about change?

It seems an anachronism for people in the US, which has a political system that facilitates peaceful change by requiring frequent elections, to want to emulate the violent upheavals that have occurred in the mideast, which constitutes the much less politically sophisticated third world. The difference between them and the US is that our politicians can be voted out every 2-4 years, without violence or riots in the streets. They, by contrast, have been ruled by the same dictators for 30 years or more.

It seems that, what you're rebelling against is that the electoral process isn't giving you what you want. You can't persuade a majority of the voters to support the kinds of radical change that you want. Thus, you aren't rebelling against a dictator. You're rebelling against your fellow voters, to whom you seem intent on dictating your radical ideas.

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by remetau

I don't vote, because voting doesn't work. It doesn't change the system, it just changes the policies of the system. I think this is why most young people don't bother to vote. They want something different than twiddle dee or twiddle dum.

What we need to do is start breaking the system down, because it doesn't work. We need to switch to localization or tribalism if you will, because it works and has worked since it's inception.

Yes, tribalism. Just look what a wonderful place Afghanistan is. And the tribal north of Pakistan. We should all strive for such greatness.

[PBzeer]

What we need to do is start breaking the system down, because it doesn't work. We need to switch to localization or tribalism if you will, because it works and has worked since it's inception.

So you're not fond of things like indoor plumbing, or hot water, for instance. You don't like be able to go to the store and have a huge variety of, not only choices, but quantities. Guess you don't really much like sitting there at your computer and saying how much you think the system that helped bring about what you have, is so worthless and irredeemable.

Millions of people, some at great loss and hardship, have come here for the things you find so wrong .....

[LandLocked66c]

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

It seems an anachronism for people in the US, which has a political system that facilitates peaceful change by requiring frequent elections, to want to emulate the violent upheavals that have occurred in the mideast, which constitutes the much less politically sophisticated third world. The difference between them and the US is that our politicians can be voted out every 2-4 years, without violence or riots in the streets. They, by contrast, have been ruled by the same dictators for 30 years or more.

It seems that, what you're rebelling against is that the electoral process isn't giving you what you want. You can't persuade a majority of the voters to support the kinds of radical change that you want. Thus, you aren't rebelling against a dictator. You're rebelling against your fellow voters, to whom you seem intent on dictating your radical ideas.

Guy, i'm not rebelling against anything. I simply tried to clarify the situation for someone that asked. Why do you think that "I" support anything. I'm simply looking from the outside in like everyone else. I'll say it again, it's not hard to understand the movement at all. Open your eyes, shut your yap, and listen - that's really all it takes to understand anything. I apply that tactic daily.

[PBzeer]

To be a "movement", it has to have some goal, some destination, to move to. Until it expresses some goal, and a way to achieve it, it's just a bunch of people whining about how life's unfair. Which is the only thing they get right. Life isn't fair. Never has been, never will be.