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Interesting that no one found it untoward to give the answer in the OP that Pelosi gave.
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Actually, I think her comment was simply dismissed.
Being Nancy simply doesn't surprise or shock anyone.
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the pointy end is the bow
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Choose your Posion..
If your a worker vote Democrats
If your management or depend on investments for your cash, vote Republican.
If your in the workingclass and you vote Republican, your cheating yourself out of a peice of the PIe, UNless you enjoy others thriving off the fruiits of your labor.
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I disagree. Do you mind if I think for myself?
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Well, Democrats are the party of the worker's ... bosses.
Let's do some numbers though (first % is D, second is R)
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $131,009,993 79% 21% Barack Obama (D)
2 Retired ---------- $126,199,252 56% 44% Barack Obama (D)
3 Securities/Invest - $68,168,504 64% 36% Barack Obama (D)
4 Real Estate ------ $66,184,462 57% 43% Barack Obama (D)
5 Health Professionals $60,451,818 60% 40% Barack Obama (D)
6 Education --------- $39,850,874 88% 12% Barack Obama (D)
7 Business Services -- $33,995,306 72% 28% Barack Obama (D)
8 Insurance --------- $31,812,652 51% 49% John McCain (R)
9 Misc Finance ------ $30,120,461 53% 47% Barack Obama (D)
10 Misc Business ----- $30,012,868 70% 30% Barack Obama (D)
And just so we don't leave out the special, special interests:
11 Lobbyists $26,579,280 57% 43% Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Out of the top 25 (excluding candidate PACs) Republicans tie once and get more twice.
As for Unions:
27 Public Sector Unions $12,863,587 87% 13% Barack Obama (D)
30 Bldg Trade Unions -- $12,139,372 88% 12% Donald J. Cazayoux (D-La)
32 Transport Unions --- $11,429,018 84% 16% Laura Richardson (D-Calif)
40 Industrial Unions --- $8,423,264 ----- 97% 3% Donald J. Cazayoux (D-La)
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
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You can tout as many spreadsheets, graphs, and "facts" as you like. It doesn't change a thing.
Everything is the SAME, regardless of who has been in office. Globalization is underway and that's the plan. Whether I agree or disagree changes nothing. But you keep being a cheerleader for a "party", they are doing a FABULOUS job!
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All should be in agreement that what we have here is a good argument for public financing of elections. Money is not speech and corporations are not persons. Neither are unions.
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Originally Posted by PBzeer
Well, Democrats are the party of the worker's ... bosses.
Let's do some numbers though (first % is D, second is R)
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $131,009,993 79% 21% Barack Obama (D)
2 Retired ---------- $126,199,252 56% 44% Barack Obama (D)
3 Securities/Invest - $68,168,504 64% 36% Barack Obama (D)
4 Real Estate ------ $66,184,462 57% 43% Barack Obama (D)
5 Health Professionals $60,451,818 60% 40% Barack Obama (D)
6 Education --------- $39,850,874 88% 12% Barack Obama (D)
7 Business Services -- $33,995,306 72% 28% Barack Obama (D)
8 Insurance --------- $31,812,652 51% 49% John McCain (R)
9 Misc Finance ------ $30,120,461 53% 47% Barack Obama (D)
10 Misc Business ----- $30,012,868 70% 30% Barack Obama (D)
And just so we don't leave out the special, special interests:
11 Lobbyists $26,579,280 57% 43% Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Out of the top 25 (excluding candidate PACs) Republicans tie once and get more twice.
As for Unions:
27 Public Sector Unions $12,863,587 87% 13% Barack Obama (D)
30 Bldg Trade Unions -- $12,139,372 88% 12% Donald J. Cazayoux (D-La)
32 Transport Unions --- $11,429,018 84% 16% Laura Richardson (D-Calif)
40 Industrial Unions --- $8,423,264 ----- 97% 3% Donald J. Cazayoux (D-La)
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Everyone is talking about who got how much of the pie but no-one has said anything about the sheer SIZE of the pie. Look at those numbers and what they add up to - it is absolutely INSANE. It would be very interesting to see a comparison to the amount spent above (in time adjusted $), how much your truly great Presidents received and spent on their elections. How much did the Roosevelts each spend? Truman, Ike, Kennedy, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln?
I am sure in most or all cases it was a tiny fraction of one of the smallest of the listed contributions. Now these insane amounts are spent and all you get is the current and recent crop of midgets.
Are we truly progressing?
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Originally Posted by BourbonSt
All should be in agreement that what we have here is a good argument for public financing of elections. Money is not speech and corporations are not persons. Neither are unions.
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what part of "Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech" is not clear.
Limiting folks ability to gather with like minded folks to express themselves is abridging freedom of speech, whether it's done by a union or a corporation, which are both made up of people.
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Originally Posted by BourbonSt
All should be in agreement that what we have here is a good argument for public financing of elections.
Money is not speech...
...and corporations are not persons. Neither are unions.
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1) Nope.
2) Yes it is. Money talks... 
3) Yes thay are!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by erps
what part of "Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech" is not clear.
Limiting folks ability to gather with like minded folks to express themselves is abridging freedom of speech, whether it's done by a union or a corporation, which are both made up of people.
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They can speak all they want, just not give huge sums to "buy" politicians. And by the way, in Unions and Corporations, only the top man has freedom of speech in this context. Just try being an area manager of a large company and donate funds to a party not supported by the Brass..... Can you spell "unemployment" children?
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