Looks like Pizza-man has some 'splainin' to do...

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Gee, it seems to work well for Rush & Newt.

[BentSailor]

I can categorically state that one need not be in a work environment for sexual harassment to be illegal here in Australia. Whilst it makes up 88% of upheld complaints under the relevant statute, that leaves 12% in which sexual harassment occurred outside said context. Obviously, your laws may differ (hence my questions on the matter) but I do check mine before making claims about them

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

In any event, Mr. Cain was certainly accurate in saying he didn't commit sexual harassment, because, whatever happened, it was done in a social environment, and not in the context of a workplace. By her own admissions, it is clear to me that you have nothing approaching a legal lapse. What you appear to have is a brief dalliance between consenting adults, outside the workplace, that has no legal consequences, and there is reason to believe was invited by the woman, and might even have constituted a setup on her part.

That all may be true, and recall I have not stated the woman definitively has a legal case (even under our laws), but that doesn't mean that he only "asked" her for a sexual dalliance. No matter how one spins it, putting your hand up the skirt of a woman and pushing her head down towards your crotch is beyond "asking". As Cain is, according to your definition, only claiming he never "sexual harassed" this woman (or others) - that still leaves her description of the night uncontested.

Also, as you are obviously well aware, sex scandals do not need to be illegal for them to disqualify your political candidates according to the voters - especially if the candidate is married. As Republicans try to portray the Democrats as the morally impure party - their candidates need to meet a higher standard for the satisfaction of their base. Just as a party/candidate campaigning on the environment can't be seen cruising around in an SUV.

If you are so narrow minded as to believe a man should be disqualified from the Presidency by such conduct, then surely you must have been in favor of impeaching President Clinton for lying under oath, which, unlike what Mr. Cain did, is a serious crime.

See, I don't think the sex scandal disqualifies the man from Presidency. I personally, couldn't care less about sex scandals in terms of the politicians I would vote for. I think Cain's lack of knowledge regarding foreign policy, rose-tinted view of taxation, semantic wrangling ("agreement" vs "settlement" ) and clear inexperience in regards to politics disqualify him, but a man's personal sex-life is not on my check-list.

On the other hand, his primary candidacy is not in my hands - it's in the hands of those that choose to vote for Republicans. Just as I think Romney's religion will adversely affect his appeal to that voting base, so too do will Cain's sexual (mis)conduct. Especially now there is a face to the stories.

And for the record, I do support impeaching a president for lying under oath - Clinton or otherwise. I don't hold any allegiance to Australian political parties, even less for US ones. Clinton might be the prism you & other conservatives on the forum view the issue through (you'd be the second in as many days to infer I'm a hypocrite when it comes to his conduct vs Cain's) ; but I'm not so "narrow-minded"

[poopdeckpappy]

This is nothing more than a attempted political assassination of a threat to the liberal/socialist agenda; For you all to get caught up in it is as pathetic as the morons trying to use this to discredit Cain.

And No, I'm not a Cain fan

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

This is nothing more than a attempted political assassination of a threat to the liberal/socialist agenda; For you all to get caught up in it is as pathetic as the morons trying to use this to discredit Cain.

Uh huh. It cannot have an ounce of truth to it because "your blacks are better than our blacks" right?

And No, I'm not a Cain fan

You don't need to be a fan or hater of someone to have non-objective perspective on the matter, PDP.

Women having made complaints against Cain in the past (and sticking by those complaints) is obviously all part of the liberal/socialist agenda. I mean, why else would they make sexual harassment complaints against a black man fifteen years ago than to thwart his future plans to run as Republican Presidential candidate? It couldn't be because the man actually DID something!

As more information comes to light, the conservative response is getting less and less rational.

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by BentSailor

Uh huh. It cannot have an ounce of truth to it because "your blacks are better than our blacks" right?

well, that was as lame as these timely sexual harassment charges

Women having made complaints against Cain in the past (and sticking by those complaints) is obviously all part of the liberal/socialist agenda. I mean, why else would they make sexual harassment complaints against a black man fifteen years ago than to thwart his future plans to run as Republican Presidential candidate? It couldn't be because the man actually DID something!

drink it all in Bent


I'm not really suprized by all this, however, I am surprized they didn't wait longer

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

well, that was as lame as these timely sexual harassment charges

Timely? They were over fifteen years ago, mate. Any more timely and they'd have been recorded on parchment in ye olde Englishe

However, I agree, the claims about who has the better blacks was pretty lame...

Originally Posted by Anne Coulter

Our blacks are so much better than their blacks

drink it all in Bent

Kind of hard not to, given it is the only news about the Republican candidates coming from the right, left, and balanced media. Not terribly surprising - sex scandals are some of the longest running political stories in the US, regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican happens to be the alleged offender.

I'm not really suprized by all this, however, I am surprized they didn't wait longer

Talk to ssneade & Cain's campaign - they believe it wasn't the left-wing that released the information but another right-wing candidate (though which one & how much they believe it varies by the hour). That would fit with the fact that the candidates lowest on the polling totem poll keep returning to the subject (except Ron Paul, but that man has principles and no chance at presidency). In that light, it was released at exactly the right time.

[SlowButSteady]

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

This is nothing more than a attempted political assassination of a threat to the liberal/socialist agenda; For you all to get caught up in it is as pathetic as the morons trying to use this to discredit Cain.
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You MIGHT have a point, IF there were any evidence to counter what these women have said.

However, Pizza-man has been far less than forthcoming with the facts:
- first he tells us he doesn't remember anything about any such allegations;
- then he remembers little tid-bits here and there;
- then we find out that at least one woman got a pretty substantial chunk of money to keep quiet;
- then the Pizza-man campaign tells everyone that Mrs. Pizza-man is going to publicly champaign for the first time (as if the timing is some sort of wild coincidence; Political ploy #101, when sex-scandal gets a bit of momentum, start making appearances with loyal wife at side);
- then, for some unexplained reason, Mrs. Pizza-man won't appear in public;
- then Pizza-man tells us that his wife knew about all this from back in 1999, and was more upset about the whole thing than he was (it was important enough to tell his wife about the allegations back when they happened, but NOT important enough to remember?????)

Given such a track record, why would anyone be surprised that MORE women are coming forward with similar stories?

Remember, Pizza-man has never, NEVER, publicly called for the NRA to waive the confidentiality agreement(s) compelling at least some of these women to keep quiet. If he honestly wants the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, to come out then all he has to do is call short press conference where he first give us his side of the story and then states that if the NRA does not release all parties from any and all confidentiality agreements that he will personally reimburse these women for any expenses they might be out by breaking such an agreement. Why hasn't he done so?? Because, plain and simple, he's a coward. He's hiding behind those twelve-year-old stacks of hush money, the race card, politics, and his wife, and hoping the whole thing will eventually blow over without him having to squarely, fully, and honestly address these allegations.

[Dirtboy]

They're gonna go after Miss Bialek. If she's not a "girl scout" they will expose everything negative they can ..... just watch. If they squash her, like a bug, others may be reluctant to come forth. 'Corse, that could backfire and prod others to come forth. There are more. Wait 'till one comes forth who accepted his offer ............... LOL

Stay tuned LOL

DB

[PBzeer]

So, he's guilty until proven innocent.

[Dirtboy]

So, he's guilty until proven innocent.

Nope, this is just my guess from watching all this unfold. I could be dead wrong, he could be a friggin boy scout, he doesn't act like one but could still be one. Time will tell. It will out, whatever "it" is. LOL

If I were a bettin man my money wouldn't be on Herm.

DB