Looks like the next GOP "flavor of the day" has some 'splainin' to do...

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by BentSailor

The USA will overthrow, or assist in the overthrow of, democracies in preference to dictators that serve their national (& corporate) interests. Period. That is what I said and that is what has been supported by the facts.

Bent, the "has been" part needs more emphasis. There is no question that was what was done, especially when those lunatic Dulles brothers ran the CIA and Foreign Affairs.

That was then though and this is now. It has been quite some time since the U.S. installed or propped up a Fascist regime. Off the top of my head, Chile was the last I can recall. That self righteous fool Ollie North and Iran Contra were as big a joke as the Watergate burglary - not exactly in the same league as Somoza or the Shah.

These days and going back a couple of decades, the States seem to back the right horse in that kind of situation. Look at Noriega - set up by the old time fools but removed when wiser heads finally prevailed.

Personally, I haven't had a problem with the background morality behind any of the U.S. interventions post Viet Nam. I question the necessity of some (like Iraq) or the execution of others (like Afghanistan) but not the side the U.S. was on or the moral intent behind it.

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

A large part of northern Ohio is flat in the extreme, especially around Bowling Green, Ohio. As I understand, it was flattened by the great glacier that carved out the Great Lakes. I wonder if a glacier is what flattened Saskatchewan.

Like I said, God's steamroller. South Saskatchewan and western North Dakota are flat like in "river delta flat". It's like being at sea on a calm day. Quite an experience for someone born & raised in the mountains.

[killarney_sailor]

Originally Posted by SloopJonB

Like I said, God's steamroller. South Saskatchewan and western North Dakota are flat like in "river delta flat". It's like being at sea on a calm day. Quite an experience for someone born & raised in the mountains.

That stuff in Ohio and southwestern Ontario was actually created under a glacial meltwater lake. Layers of clay and silt got deposited by streams coming from the melting glaciers. They are certainly flat. Toronto's airport is on a minature version of the same thing - certainly saved a lot of money in grading.

The stuff in Saskatchewan and adjacent US is different. Here the sedimentary rocks were perfectly flat and never got folded and faulted like in most areas. Ice sheets did some fine-tuning on top. The area around Winnipeg and into the US along the Red River is also a glacial lakes area. Lakes Winnipeg, Manitoba and Winnipegosis are all in the top 20 or so of world lakes in area are just remnants of the giant glacial lake that was there.

Somewhere I have a print of a painting by Kurelek (sp?) of southern Saskatchewan. He has fiddled the perspective somehow to make it appear even flatter (if possible), I guess because you can see further than the real thing.

[LandLocked66c]

So Mitt is the new front runner? Hilarious... Not if the Evangelicals have their way!

Evangelicals Hurry to Find Alternative to Romney - NYTimes.com

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by LandLocked66c

So Mitt is the new front runner? Hilarious... Not if the Evangelicals have their way!

Evangelicals Hurry to Find Alternative to Romney - NYTimes.com

Well you have to give them credit for one thing at least - if they let an amoral, cheating, lying piece of scum like Gingrich into their church, they truly ARE forgiving.

The only effect they can have on the election is to hand it to Obama. If their preferred candidate gets the nomination, Big O will win in a landslide. The American public is far too rational and commonsensical to let a fairly small group of religious fanatics control the destiny of the country.

I'm surprised the Republican leadership hasn't figured that one out.

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by LandLocked66c

So Mitt is the new front runner? Hilarious... Not if the Evangelicals have their way!

Evangelicals Hurry to Find Alternative to Romney - NYTimes.com

Funny how when I brought up his religion as being an issue, it was dismissed as not relevant...

[blt2ski]

Anyone else here he (romney) saying the US would go to the highest bidders? probably like his biz practices.......Senate to russia, house to china, judicial to N Korea, executive to Iran......The rest of us to Squaller land.....

Well any way, not sure if true, but still, Probably the way some of them political types work! be them D's or R's............

[danjarch]

Originally Posted by SloopJonB

Well you have to give them credit for one thing at least - if they let an amoral, cheating, lying piece of scum like Gingrich into their church, they truly ARE forgiving.

The only effect they can have on the election is to hand it to Obama. If their preferred candidate gets the nomination, Big O will win in a landslide. The American public is far too rational and commonsensical to let a fairly small group of religious fanatics control the destiny of the country.

I'm surprised the Republican leadership hasn't figured that one out.

I actually agree with you to a large extent but here's a countervailing argument is persuasive.

Freedom Line Blog » Why Is Romney Seen as Electable?

[LandLocked66c]

Originally Posted by danjarch

I actually agree with you to a large extent but here's a countervailing argument is persuasive.

Freedom Line Blog » Why Is Romney Seen as Electable?

Boy, that's a get behind Santorum article isn't it?

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by LandLocked66c

Boy, that's a get behind Santorum article isn't it?

Yeah, and the supporting material for why Romney shouldn't be the guy is pretty weak. Basically it boils down to "I cannot see why Romney can even be considered when I like other candidates better". I think Ron Paul is a man with really bad ideas as to what makes a great country, but I don't blind myself to what others see in him.

The biggest laugh at the moment though is not those that cannot see a reason to support Romney, but those in the Republican Party using his time in business as a reason to actively campaign against the guy. Romney made money out of investing in companies and, in quite a few cases, this resulted in money being made for investors at the cost of jobs. You'd think there'd be regulation on such things... oh wait

Personally, there isn't anyone winning actual polls (and state primaries) I see winning against Obama at the moment. Those that have the base votes are too far right (either economically or socially) for the independent voter and Romney won't be able to rally the base due to being too moderate and not the right kind of Christian. Still fun to watch though and things can still change - Huntsman might actually get a turn on the Republican "Not-Romney" Carousel