Latest Military Success

SloopJonB · #1 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

Has everyone read the news about the recovery of the two hostages by the Navy Seal team? They deserve fullest congratulations for their outstanding performance.

I particularly like how, although their terms of engagement provided for the capture of the thugs, once again "the opportunity did not present itself" and they all had to be killed.

Those Seals have gotten as badass and effective as the Israelis.

FINALLY, it seems the powers that be, the military and everyone else, have realized that this is the only way to fight criminals, pirates, terrorists and guerrillas - you just can't succeed against them with massive conventional forces.

This is another example of far better force management by the Big O administration than its predecessors - I don't see how anyone can begrudge him THAT, no matter how disillusioned by him or ideologically opposed to him you might be. As far as I have seen, he, his team & the military are batting 1000 against the villains.

Congrats to all involved.

LandLocked66c · #2 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

Indeed!

bljones · #3 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

Maybe this is an advantage of a CinC who has never served- no service bias. Simply use the best tool for the job with no background prejudice. With the heavy debtload the country is facing and the tidal shift in warfare, if I was a five star armor general or an air combat wing commander, I might be a little nervous right now. It looks like a highly mobile lightfighter force and air to ground combat is the future.

WouldaShoulda · #4 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB

I don't see how anyone can begrudge him THAT, no matter how disillusioned by him or ideologically opposed to him you might be. As far as I have seen, he, his team & the military are batting 1000 against the villains.

Congrats to all involved.

I'm pleased he ignores commonly held principles of soveriegnty to kill bad guys without miranda or trial.

He should have made that part of his platform in 2008 instead of the actions being anong his broken promises.

Break away, Pres. O., break away!!

LandLocked66c · #5 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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I'm pleased he ignores commonly held principles of soveriegnty to kill bad guys without miranda or trial.

He should have made that part of his platform in 2008 instead of the actions being anong his broken promises.

Break away, Pres. O., break away!!

I'm not even going to touch that! LOL Anyone else wanna hit that one?

kd3pc · #6 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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I particularly like how, although their terms of engagement provided for the capture of the thugs,
Congrats to all involved.

If the honcho in chief would allow sane rules of engagement in the other "wars" the seal teams and deltas could really do something. But if your first rule of engagement (for the seals in Afghanistan) is you have to be fired upon, first. It severely limits your ability to defend, let alone complete the mission....

Kind of like how we put UN troops in Africa a few years back and would not give them ammo clips or allow them to intervene....they sat back and watched the slaughter...I believe they even made a movie of that one, Nick Nolte and others.

kd3pc · #7 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB

This is another example of far better force management by the Big O administration than its predecessors - I don't see how anyone can begrudge him THAT, no matter how disillusioned by him or ideologically opposed to him you might be. As far as I have seen, he, his team & the military are batting 1000 against the villains.

Congrats to all involved.

why was this, then, not done months ago....

why these two, not the other americans, that as of today, have been moved to other "more secure locations"

The Big O is looking for points...see the timing of the raid....results out just before the SOTU address....coincidence???

The other presidents would have been blasted had they sent in the seals to rescue these two....

SloopJonB · #8 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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I'm pleased he ignores commonly held principles of soveriegnty to kill bad guys without miranda or trial.

I am pleased too.

As I have said before, I have no problem with this sort of thing as long as it is done JUDICIOUSLY. If & when it starts getting overdone or misused, THEN I'll have a problem with it and complain about it etc.

The Brits used to do it - not all that judiciously, the Israelis have been doing it for decades and have pretty well perfected it. The only time they blew it, that I am aware of, was that poor ba$tard Arab waiter they killed in error in Sweden.

What would you prefer in this latest situation? More "diplomacy" until the girl was dead and everyone else could go home? Wholesale invasion of the country like Mogadishu?

This process WORKS - screw the handwringing about "sovereignty" and "due process" - concepts like those only exist in civilized countries. In the jungle out there they are seen as, hence ARE, only weakness.

I wonder how much of this is due to Hillary?

SloopJonB · #9 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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Originally Posted by kd3pc

why was this, then, not done months ago....

why these two, not the other americans, that as of today, have been moved to other "more secure locations"

The Big O is looking for points...see the timing of the raid....results out just before the SOTU address....coincidence???

The other presidents would have been blasted had they sent in the seals to rescue these two....

Man KD, you sure must have gotten a LOT of coal in your stocking when you were a kid.

The fact that the girl didn't have much time left was the reason for the timing from what I read, not political points. Of course I'm just a liberal sucker for whatever the Dems do or say.

svHyLyte · #10 (**permalink**) 01-26-2012

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB

Has everyone read the news about the recovery of the two hostages by the Navy Seal team? They deserve fullest congratulations for their outstanding performance.

I particularly like how, although their terms of engagement provided for the capture of the thugs, once again "the opportunity did not present itself" and they all had to be killed.

Those Seals have gotten as badass and effective as the Israelis.

FINALLY, it seems the powers that be, the military and everyone else, have realized that this is the only way to fight criminals, pirates, terrorists and guerrillas - you just can't succeed against them with massive conventional forces.

This is another example of far better force management by the Big O administration than its predecessors - I don't see how anyone can begrudge him THAT, no matter how disillusioned by him or ideologically opposed to him you might be. As far as I have seen, he, his team & the military are batting 1000 against the villains.

Congrats to all involved.

Speaking as a registered [but Kennedy] Democrat (which by now is labeled a "Conservative") I find it interesting that the Obamanation only seems to authorize military operations when they are politically opportune. Based upon reports from a younger relative currently on active duty with the Navy ONI, this operation and the earlier one, had been programmed for many months, but only "finally cut loose" at a politically opportune moments. Odd no?