Why the Tea Party and Occupy exist.

[US27inKS]

They are two sides of the same coin. The same cause with differing philosophy on the solution. The Tea Party wants no bailouts, Occupy wants only bailouts for the "99%". This is very good, and very non-partisan.

David Stockman on Crony Capitalism from BillMoyers.com on Vimeo.

[gryff57]

Doesn't sound like same coin to me. The Tea Party may say they don't want bailouts for the 1% but their actions (electing only Republicans) speak to their real purpose. And I'm not referring to the individuals who claim Tea Party membership, but to the corporate interests who created and support the "movement".

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by gryff57

Doesn't sound like same coin to me. The Tea Party may say they don't want bailouts for the 1% but their actions (electing only Republicans) speak to their real purpose. And I'm not referring to the individuals who claim Tea Party membership, but to the corporate interests who created and support the "movement".

Did you watch the video at all? What about the corporate interests that created and support the occupiers? What about the financial interests that support both parties? I suggest you take a minute and review the points made by Mr. Stockman.

Have you not seen representatives referred to as "Tea Party Republicans" vs establishment Republicans? Apparently you also did not notice that there were several Democrats supported by the tea party. Not many, but a few fiscally conservative dems. The Tea Party has opposed establishment republicans who have voted for bailouts, and when those establishment republicans still make it through the primary process, the tea party has not supported those candidates. I suppose voting Democrat somehow would have caused the "1%" to fall back to earth. Oh but wait, a democrat is president, and the senate is controlled by democrats, and for the democratic president's first 2 years he also had a democratic house. Yet somehow the "1%" has increased their wealth at an even faster rate than they ever did under Bush. Yep, voting Democrat will solve it all. Genius.

[joethecobbler]

well put, although voting purely the republican ticket certainly hasn't solved the nations ils either. Actually there has been little or no improvement with either crinimal gand (dem/rep) and I would suggest it's possibly time for a fresh voice - Ron Paul , back to the constitution. eliminate the fed,irs,foreign bases etc. and truly live within our means.

put away the wants and re-assess the needs. then make hard choices.
neither party has demonstrated the will or ability to do this.

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by joethecobbler

well put, although voting purely the republican ticket certainly hasn't solved the nations ils either. Actually there has been little or no improvement with either crinimal gand (dem/rep) and I would suggest it's possibly time for a fresh voice - Ron Paul , back to the constitution. eliminate the fed,irs,foreign bases etc. and truly live within our means.

put away the wants and re-assess the needs. then make hard choices.
neither party has demonstrated the will or ability to do this.

Sorry Joe but you can't bring back the good old days and besides, they weren't that good. We have the lovely ability to remember the good times and forget the bad - that's why it sometimes seems like things worked better back then.

You should read some history of Harry Truman or LBJ - you'd be astounded at how corrupt your politics were then - out and out gangster criminality. Truman had to work like a dog for years to shake the stink of the machine he had to work his way up through - it was the only route then. Pretty much the same for LBJ. Daly in Chicago was the last gasp of that era and look what Chicago was like when he was in charge.

[joethecobbler]

look further back, it wasn't always as sausage making.
there are still plenty of folks, good folks with strong constitution and wholesome values.
All is not lost. I will not surrender my country or community to foriegn interests or political perversion.
And I am not alone. ever been to tangier Is. or smith Island ? small communities with small schools and fine churchs. good people with great values and ethics. go to the tangier Island history sight and listen to the accounts of the youngest waterman.
Travel to Smith Island and visit the K-8 grade school and visit the smith Island cake factory and you'll see good people with traditional values ,wonderful sense of community.
these are but a few places (sailors can visit) There are many more throughout the country and they'll continue as the have for centuries.
for those folks , these are still the "good ol' days" .

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by joethecobbler

well put, although voting purely the republican ticket certainly hasn't solved the nations ils either. Actually there has been little or no improvement with either crinimal gand (dem/rep) and I would suggest it's possibly time for a fresh voice - Ron Paul , back to the constitution. eliminate the fed,irs,foreign bases etc. and truly live within our means.

put away the wants and re-assess the needs. then make hard choices.
neither party has demonstrated the will or ability to do this.

If we could only get Ron Paul's domestic policy with a strong foreign policy. I could vote for that.

The biggest problem with Ron Paul is the rest of the government. We could elect him president, but congress will never let him do what he wants to do. Like Santorum said, Ron Paul will never be able to accomplish what we all would want of him, and the things we fear he could do - would be done on day one.

Consider this; as president, Ron Paul would be Commander in Chief. It is within his power to bring back all troops from foreign soil. These nations that have been hosting our military are on welfare. United States military welfare. We pump many millions of dollars into their economy every year. Think about what would happen within some of our inner cities if all government assistance, from housing to welfare to food stamps (and many other programs that don't come to mind) were ended overnight. There would be riots in the streets as those who have had their government assistance taken from them lash out at those who ended the programs. Just look at Greece.

Do we really want a hundred nations hating us for taking their welfare even more than they already hate us for giving it to them? Do we really want countries like China and Russia to pick up where we left these countries hanging?

If the halls of congress had been filled with men like Ron Paul for the last hundred years, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. Unless you find 535 more Ron Paul's that people will vote for, then President Ron Paul would be a 4 year lame duck.

[erps]

If the halls of congress had been filled with men like Ron Paul for the last hundred years, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. Unless you find 535 more Ron Paul's that people will vote for, then President Ron Paul would be a 4 year lame duck.

I'd love to hear what it sounds like when hundreds of sphincters tighten up simultaneously in D.C. if he were to win though.

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by US27inKS

If we could only get Ron Paul's domestic policy with a strong foreign policy. I could vote for that.

The biggest problem with Ron Paul is the rest of the government. We could elect him president, but congress will never let him do what he wants to do. Like Santorum said, Ron Paul will never be able to accomplish what we all would want of him, and the things we fear he could do - would be done on day one.

Consider this; as president, Ron Paul would be Commander in Chief. It is within his power to bring back all troops from foreign soil. These nations that have been hosting our military are on welfare. United States military welfare. We pump many millions of dollars into their economy every year. Think about what would happen within some of our inner cities if all government assistance, from housing to welfare to food stamps (and many other programs that don't come to mind) were ended overnight. There would be riots in the streets as those who have had their government assistance taken from them lash out at those who ended the programs. Just look at Greece.

Do we really want a hundred nations hating us for taking their welfare even more than they already hate us for giving it to them? Do we really want countries like China and Russia to pick up where we left these countries hanging?

If the halls of congress had been filled with men like Ron Paul for the last hundred years, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. Unless you find 535 more Ron Paul's that people will vote for, then President Ron Paul would be a 4 year lame duck.

Well said. Your points are otherwise known as The law of unintended consequences

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by erps

I'd love to hear what it sounds like when hundreds of sphincters tighten up simultaneously in D.C. if he were to win though.

I expect it would sound much like the noise D.C. makes now - a giant sucking sound.