Food Stamp President?

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by TropicCat

Wrong Congress... but you knew that. More misinformation. This is the truth guys and is from the Secretary of the Senate:




You guys defend the indefensible and wonder why we don't want Republicans governing anything.

I knew that? In my searches I found figures ranging from 90(and counting) to 132 for the 111th congress. Either way, it doesn't matter. We'll just go with the number that you didn't come up with, as your chart ends at the 110th.

Let's just look at some of the misinformation from this thread alone.

Post no.1 - LandLocked66
A video of a Democrat distorting the truth about who is "the food stamp president".

Post no. 5 - Tropicat
Tries to change the OP video from raw numbers (like 11 million added to food stamps) to percentage change, while ignoring the fact that Obama did this in 3 years.

Post no. 7 - Tropicat
Tries to change a refutation of the claims made in the video into a "history lesson". Tries to blame Bush for the crash when it was clearly Clinton policy made near the end of his term that set it up. Tries to blame republicans for Obama policy not passing a Democrat supermajority congress.

Post no. 14 - SlowButSteady
Blame Bush for the economic crash. Ignores the fact that Clinton policies set it up.

Need I continue?

[TropicCat]

Look, I don't know what you think you're doing, but I'm not creating data nor fabricating anything. This is a debate but I prefer facts speak for themselves. You on the other hand are misreading what you're posting.

Consider. A president declares 2 wars. Deploys troops, and quadruples defense spending in the process... right? Historical fact. The same President, at the very same time, decreases taxes.

Increases spending... decreases taxes... fact

The result was what? It was what you'd expect. He single handledly almost tripled the entire debt of this country. Again no BS...fact.

8 years later he leaves office.

The new guy comes in after the economy collapsed. The same tax laws are in effect. Congress won't change them

The same two wars are going on. We are still spending.

His results are predictable to anyone with an IQ that registers and no spin from conservatives can change the facts.

Screw Clinton, this is Bush's recession and Bushes wars and Bushes Deficit.

Now, are things getting better? No.
Are things going to get worse? Yes
Why?
Nothing was fixed.

From: http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/e...nc7en/bdi.html
The chart: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuild...er1=BDIY%3AIND

"The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) is an assessment of the average price to ship raw materials (such as coal, iron ore, cement and grains) on a number of shipping routes (about 50) and by ship size. It is thus an indicator of the cost paid to ship raw materials on global markets and an important component of input costs. As such, the index is considered as a leading indicator (forward looking) of economic activity since it involves events taking place at the earlier stages of global commodity chains. A high BDI index is an indication of a tight shipping supply due to high demand and is likely to create inflationary pressures along the supply chain. A sudden and sharp decline of the BDI is likely to foretell a recession since producers have substantially curtailed their demand leaving shippers to substantially reduce their rates in an attempt to attract cargo....."

This is an overlooked index which was created in 1985. This is the defining shipping cost index. Notice how it predicted the 2008 banking collapse? And look what it's doing now. Fuel costs have quadrupled yet look what supply and demand has done to shipping costs. NO matter what the government tells us, Global trade is in free fall.

[US27inKS]

Holy crap Rick.

Originally Posted by TropicCat

Look, I don't know what you think you're doing, but I'm not creating data nor fabricating anything.

No one said you fabricated anything. Misinformation does not mean fabrication. The idiot in the OP video didn't lie. He just distorted the truth. He failed to tell that Obama added more people, and spent more money on food stamps than Bush. And he did it in 3 years not 8.

This is a debate but I prefer facts speak for themselves. You on the other hand are misreading what you're posting.

Where have I posted anything that was not factual and complete?

Consider. A president declares 2 wars. Deploys troops, and quadruples defense spending in the process... right? Historical fact. The same President, at the very same time, decreases taxes.

Increases spending... decreases taxes... fact

Don't forget the part about being attacked on our own soil. And also don't forget that Obama has increased spending even more and didn't allow the tax cuts to expire.

The result was what? It was what you'd expect. He single handledly almost tripled the entire debt of this country. Again no BS...fact.

UMM.. not quite fact. The national debt was 5.6 Trillion when Bush took over. It was 10.6 when he left office. Not triple in my book, more like double. And while Bush added an astounding 5 Trillion to the debt, Obama has done the same in only 3 years. Again, to be fair, we should extrapolate the pace that Obama has set. At his current pace, Obama will add roughly 13.3 Trillion to the debt. That's right, for those of you playing at home, that's more than double.

8 years later he leaves office.

Yep, abandoned ship.

The new guy comes in after the economy collapsed. The same tax laws are in effect. Congress won't change them

Nope, congress wouldn't change them. But here's where the misinformation part comes in. See the Bush tax cuts weren't permanent. All Obama had to do was to veto the extension. There weren't enough votes in congress to overturn him, and even if there were, Obama could point to it as a failure of congress.

See you didn't fabricate, you just left out important stuff.

The same two wars are going on. We are still spending.

Did you miss the part where Obama brought the troops home from Iraq in October, exactly when Bush had them scheduled to come home? That would leave 1 war, not 2. And now Obama is planning on spending the "war savings" that are actually not savings, but a reduction in borrowing.

His results are predictable to anyone with an IQ that registers and no spin from conservatives can change the facts.

Is it as predictable as the economic crash caused by clinton policy? Just wondering 'cause you seem to have missed that one.

Screw Clinton, this is Bush's recession and Bushes wars and Bushes Deficit.

It might be Bush's wars, but Democrats voted for them. It is definitely Clinton's recession. Pretty sure I covered that, but I'm sure you can point me to the many Bush policies that caused it. Right?

Now, are things getting better? No.
Are things going to get worse? Yes
Why?
Nothing was fixed.

We can agree on this.

This is an overlooked index which was created in 1985. This is the defining shipping cost index. Notice how it predicted the 2008 banking collapse? And look what it's doing now. Fuel costs have quadrupled yet look what supply and demand has done to shipping costs. NO matter what the government tells us, Global trade is in free fall.

Interesting chart. I've not seen that one. While it may have predicted the banking collapse, did you notice that the run up to the collapse started in Jan '06? Can you tell me what else happened in Jan '06? Here's a clue. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

[jrd22]

Tropic-through your blinders on view of history you imply that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq caused the housing bubble and subsequent collapse. Mind expanding on that a bit?

[TropicCat]

Originally Posted by US27inKS

Holy crap Rick.

No one said you fabricated anything. Misinformation does not mean fabrication. The idiot in the OP video didn't lie. He just distorted the truth. He failed to tell that Obama added more people, and spent more money on food stamps than Bush. And he did it in 3 years not 8.

Where have I posted anything that was not factual and complete?

Don't forget the part about being attacked on our own soil. ,,,

What??

I'm going to forget you typed this diatribe. Your ignorance is astounding.

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by TropicCat

What??

I'm going to forget you typed this diatribe. Your ignorance is astounding.

Good one Rick.

My ignorance about what? My ignorance about you conflating 3 years of Obama vs 8 years of Bush? Or is it my ignorance about you blaming Bush's wars and tax cuts for the economic crash.

Let me see if I can help you out.

Bush got us into 2 wars (really 1 war, Bin Ladin got us into the other one) and lowered tax rates. He also increased domestic spending. These things caused the deficit and national debt to go up.

Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall and "strengthened" the Community Reinvestment Act. These things caused the economic crash. The fact that he did them near the end of his term, and the fact that it takes time for a bubble to develop, does not mean that it's Bush's fault. To use your reasoning, all he did was get elected. The trap was set.

And just to make sure you understand, 3 years does not equal 8. To say otherwise is misinformation.

Since apparently I'm the ignorant one in this conversation, perhaps you can educate me. Please list for me the Bush policies that caused the economic crash. Remember, increasing the debt does not equal economic crash.

[aeventyr60]

Back to the food stamp issue;;

Maybe the government has had to increase the eligibility requirements to keep the masses
"fat and happy".

With unemployment rolls topping 15%, 40 million living below the poverty line, untold millions with out health care, standards of living dropping dramatically for the middle class, youth and black unemployment rates reaching depression levels, 2.2 million Americans behind bars..is it any wonder that the powers to be are trying to stave off actual revolution in the streets?

Images from across the Atlantic only stir the imagination. How about a few more disasters on our own shores? Another Katrina? Earthquake in California? Natural disasters in the oil refinery belt of West Texas and Louisiana? Man, seems like we are sitting on a powder keg.
The tipping point just over the horizon? Our National Guardsmen weary of 10+ years of overseas deployments. Whose gonna keep the masses in line?

So your disgusted with the occupy Now demonstrations? A little poo in the street too much for you?
Best you keep the masses fed, keep your Glock locked and loaded. Those folks will be looking for you.

[WouldaShoulda]

Originally Posted by aeventyr60

Best you keep the masses fed, keep your Glock locked and loaded. Those folks will be looking for you.

From "Live Free or Die" to "Free **** or Else!!"

Nice!!

[PBzeer]

Well, yes, expanding food stamps does help keep 'em "fat and happy". That way, my tax dollars (or the one's my kid's great-great-grandchildern's kids will have to pay) let them buy what they need, so they have plenty left to buy what they don't need, but want. Just get behind most anybody using food stamps or WIC coupons at Walmart and you can see it first hand. Of course, the line may be a bit slow because they're too busy on their Iphone or Android, or what ever the latest phone is, to be paying attention, while the kids are fighting over which console game they're going to get. And I can only wish I had the kind of money they spend on clothes.

There are some who truly need the help, but you won't see their cart piled up with junk food, beer and wine, and prepared food, going through the cigarette line.

[PBzeer]

The main difference between the Tea Party and Occupy is that the Tea Party wants to get things back on track. Occupy just wants "their" share.