Looks like the Occupy Movement is really getting to some on the WRW

[CrazyRu]

Hey, John, are those the pics of OW library? You, know, books placed in dumpster...

[US27inKS]

Well Bent, perhaps you should take the time to actually read what I wrote before posting your drivel.

I don't think I've seen pictures of any liberal gathering that didn't leave mounds of trash in their wake. Having those kind of people gathered in one place for weeks or months at a time is sure to lead to some pretty unsanitary conditions.

You know, liberal gatherings like this:
Obama inauguration

Madison protest

One Nation Rally in DC


VS the Tea Party

Originally Posted by BentSailor

On the whole OWS vs Tea Party cleanliness thing, do you think that (just perhaps) there is difference between cleaning up as you leave voluntarily and actually being evicted? Seriously, only the most anally-retentive of campers would put everything they took with them back into their packs every time they left the tent.

Sure there's a difference, but would you ever camp next to a group who's camp site smells of urine and old food

Of course, you might say, then why the suits? You're right, I'd wonder why they're wearing forensic outfits too. Were the police worried about contaminating the scene? Are cops really that dirty?

Of course you would be one to suggest that it's the cops that are dirty, not the scum living in these camps.

Look, I think OWS wore out it's appeal and effectiveness when it fell from the headlines. Kind of like the Tea Party. Still, it is amazing at what some people on the right or conservative side of politics will use in spinning whatever they can to make them out to be worse than they were.

I walked past the lot of them while on vacation in NY (I wanted to go in but my wife wouldn't have it), trust me they don't need any help looking bad. They do a fine job all by themselves.

[mdbee]

You seem to be a bit off your game with those rationalizations. We really expect more from you. Go ahead, try again.

Originally Posted by BentSailor

On the whole OWS vs Tea Party cleanliness thing, do you think that (just perhaps) there is difference between cleaning up as you leave voluntarily and actually being evicted? Seriously, only the most anally-retentive of campers would put everything they took with them back into their packs every time they left the tent. Look at what the pictures depict being thrown out:

• First picture - tarp being taken off a tree. Man, I've never seen that at a camp-site before.
• Second picture - a bag of what appears to be blankets, sleeping bags, and clothing. Only the most disgusting people would have them whilst camping!
• Third picture - tents and signs. OMG, how could humans even live in such filth!
• Fourth picture - even more tents, sleeping bags, and signs. I think I'm going to be sick... how could a protest camp-out even bare to have that stuff around let alone sleep in or beside it?!?

Of course, you might say, then why the suits? You're right, I'd wonder why they're wearing forensic outfits too. Were the police worried about contaminating the scene? Are cops really that dirty?

Look, I think OWS wore out it's appeal and effectiveness when it fell from the headlines. Kind of like the Tea Party. Still, it is amazing at what some people on the right or conservative side of politics will use in spinning whatever they can to make them out to be worse than they were.

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by US27inKS

Well Bent, perhaps you should take the time to actually read what I wrote before posting your drivel.

Really, US27inKS, is it so hard to think that, just perhaps, I wasn't responding solely to you but to a concept in general as it is talked about across the blogosphere & appears to be starting here?

Did I quote you? Did I address you specifically? No, I addressed "the whole OWS vs Tea Party cleanliness thing". Hell, you weren't even the first in the thread to bring up the cleanliness issue!

I don't debate that liberal gatherings leave mess. Quite simply addressing the meme as it got rolling here comparing OWS with the Tea Party. Of course, we could start a back & forth about how those pictures from the Tea Party rally weren't actually where the majority of the rally was held, how 870K people make less mess than 2-4 million people (depending on your data source), etc but that would really derail the subject and is not really that interesting to me.

Sure there's a difference, but would you ever camp next to a group who's camp site smells of urine and old food

Probably not. Doesn't change any of my points nor the fact this detail comes from one source to which every other news article I've seen mention of it refers back to (including your link).

Of course you would be one to suggest that it's the cops that are dirty, not the scum living in these camps.

I'm guessing sarcasm isn't a strong point for you. Then again, perhaps it could be the fact you see the people participating in the protest as "scum".

I neither claimed nor believe that the cops are dirty - I simply used the point to show the ridiculousness of the suggestion their suits indicate the level of environmental hazard.

I walked past the lot of them while on vacation in NY (I wanted to go in but my wife wouldn't have it), trust me they don't need any help looking bad. They don a fine job all by themselves.

And yet people continue trying to do so. Kind of the point.

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by mdbee

You seem to be a bit off your game with those rationalizations. We really expect more from you. Go ahead, try again.

No need. You seem fresh out of counter-arguments, so I guess it can stand until you try again

[firsttry]

Dont normaly comment on politics. But, a good friend who is a DC stage set up union member (no choice, if you want the job you have to join union and pay)
He was offered 65.00, free lunch, bus ride and drinks to go to cpac and be part of Obamas rent a mob. As a proud free thinking black man he ofcourse declined.
Good for him!!
There may still be hope for the Republic!

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by BentSailor

Really, US27inKS, is it so hard to think that, just perhaps, I wasn't responding solely to you but to a concept in general as it is talked about across the blogosphere & appears to be starting here?

Did I quote you? Did I address you specifically? No, I addressed "the whole OWS vs Tea Party cleanliness thing". Hell, you weren't even the first in the thread to bring up the cleanliness issue!

But I was the first to bring up the Tea Party as a comparison in this thread. Who else could you have been replying to if not me?

I don't debate that liberal gatherings leave mess. Quite simply addressing the meme as it got rolling here comparing OWS with the Tea Party. Of course, we could start a back & forth about how those pictures from the Tea Party rally weren't actually where the majority of the rally was held, how 870K people make less mess than 2-4 million people (depending on your data source), etc but that would really derail the subject and is not really that interesting to me.

All I said was that liberal gatherings leave a huge mess, and that no one should expect that a camp filled with these pigs should be anything but a biohazard.

Probably not. Doesn't change any of my points nor the fact this detail comes from one source to which every other news article I've seen mention of it refers back to (including your link).

Really?
Occupy DC


Occupy SF More health concerns at Occupy SF camp prompt DPW cleanup | Sarah Gantz | Local | San Francisco Examiner

revealing the Occupy San Francisco camp’s underbelly of soiled cardboard, trash and feces smeared on the grass.

I'm guessing sarcasm isn't a strong point for you. Then again, perhaps it could be the fact you see the people participating in the protest as "scum".

And how should I see these people?

I neither claimed nor believe that the cops are dirty - I simply used the point to show the ridiculousness of the suggestion their suits indicate the level of environmental hazard.

I've quoted two different articles where the smell of urine and feces was very strong. What would you call it if not a biohazard?

[US27inKS]

On a side note, notice in the last picture I posted above that there is a young child (looks to me like it could be a girl) watching a grown man take a dump on an american flag, while another grown man stands next to her in his underwear.

Scum.

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by US27inKS

But I was the first to bring up the Tea Party as a comparison in this thread. Who else could you have been replying to if not me?

Uh, everyone reading the thread? If I wanted the message to go only to you, I'd have sent it via PM. If I was replying to you directly, I'd have used your name and/or quoted your post. I've mentioned these behaviours before - they're not uncommon, strange, or hard to understand.

All I said was that liberal gatherings leave a huge mess, and that no one should expect that a camp filled with these pigs should be anything but a biohazard.

And all I said was that the meme of comparing OWS vs Tea Party sanitation was invalid. As I have said, and somehow need to repeat, I am responding to the meme, not just your particular post.

Really?

Yeah, that smell of urine at OWS LA line has been quoted several times, but is the only reference I can find to said smell for the L.A. occupation. Your photo & quote don't change that, they do add something about the SF occupation though. That's two out of how many exactly?

And how should I see these people?

Disgusting.

Odd looking but otherwise sanitary and non-scum.

Again, disgusting. Seems you're judging a whole movement by two frankly disgusting examples and one that doesn't fit our idea of what people should look like.

Wow, I wonder what the reaction would be if we judged the Tea Party like that... oh, I know, that's a discussion that already has happened on these forums & elsewhere, in which I sided with the Tea Party supporters because one shouldn't judge a movement by the actions of just a few extreme examples. Fancy that!

[BentSailor]

Oh dear, did some research on that third image of yours (cr@pping on the flag), seeing as I hadn't seen it before. Turns out it is from 2007, well before OWS and even before Obama was president. Let's try not to pull stunts like that.