Non-political predictions please.

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by xymotic

I think It's kinda interesting how many Republican's are facing actual recall elections at the moment.

And just how many are there at the moment ?

[PBzeer]

Where's your reference BS, or are we to just take your word for it?

Is an interesting way to date one's independence though, by court ruling.

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Where's your reference BS, or are we to just take your word for it?

High Court transcripts. Free for everyone to read online. I'm even willing to point you to it, once you've proven or admitted to being wrong on, the claims you made preceding my claim. After all, if you can prove your point, mine is moot.

So, can you prove your claims or admit you were wrong on them? Or is this just another sad attempt to divert attention from your inability to do either?

Is an interesting way to date one's independence though, by court ruling.

The Australian High Court doesn't date our independence anymore than the the Supreme Court of the United States gives people rights. One can, however, point to High Court / Supreme Court transcripts to prove something about the law. Sad that you need something this simple explained to you.

[PBzeer]

Dancing the night away ... no reference, no credibility.

[BentSailor]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Dancing the night away ... no reference, no credibility.

No surprises you decided to do that. Dancing is what you do best. And I agree, you have no credibility.

My offer stands - deal with your claims which preceded mine and I will help you out. Assuming, of course, you are interested in actually having a point proven rather than simply dancing away from your own.

[knothead]

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

Well...yeah. That's the very essence of representative government. Now that you have stated the obvious, what alternative do you suggest to representative government? A monarchy? A dictatorship? How about a liberal dictatorship? That has a nice, "progressive" ring to it, dontcha think? (We can define it as a government in which liberals get to dictate to all the rest of us dummies how we should live, based on whatever they think is good for us.) Won't the world be wonderful, with no internal combustion engines (walking will be good for you!), no landfills (never mind that we can't burn it, bury it, or dump it into the sea!), no red meat, only windmills for power (we can go back to drying our clothes on a clothesline!), AND NO SUGAR! (Except for rich liberals, who will be entitled to special exemptions upon request.) You know, I'm beginning to think that a representative government, with all it's flaws, is preferable to the alternatives.

The liberal stock-in-trade is to point out flaws in existing systems, knowing that there are currently no practicable alternatives to those systems, but the truth is that finding flaws isn't difficult. Even Libs can do it. What is really difficult is finding practicable solutions, because that requires true creativity, and most people don't have the creativity to find solutions. Einsteins and Edisons just don't come along that often.

That one line, out of all the silliness in your post, stood out to me. What is wrong with hanging up clothes on a line?
I've saved hundreds of dollars not using the dryer when it wasn't necessary.

Personally I think the world will be a much more pleasant place without all the internal combustion engines polluting the planet. There are alternatives and they will only get better.
It doesn't have to be either or. We don't have to sacrifice our freedoms in order to work together with other countries or peoples.

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by knothead

That one line, out of all the silliness in your post, stood out to me. What is wrong with hanging up clothes on a line?
I've saved hundreds of dollars not using the dryer when it wasn't necessary.

There's nothing wrong with drying your clothes on a clothesline, if that comports with your lifestyle, but living aboard a boat is not a typical family's lifestyle. Modern technology has offered us alternatives to a clothesline. If your household consists of a typical husband, wife and 2.5 children, with the parents working and the children in school, that family will opt to use a clothes dryer. They can't do laundry during the work day, they can't leave clothes outside overnight to dry, and they can't rely on fair weather every weekend during all seasons, to do their laundry on weekends. In the days before automatic dryers, you could hang clothes to dry in a basement during the winter, if your house had a basement. I don't know where people without basements hung their clothes in winter, perhaps over the bathtub.

By choice, I live aboard my boat much of the year, and I know how to conserve water and energy and other resources but I'm retired and, during my working life, I thought about living aboard, but decided that it would not be the way I would choose to live my life and raise my family. It would offer challenges that I wasn't willing to accept. That might not be your reality or mine, at this time, but it is for most families.

My point is that, even for conservation-minded people like you and me, drying clothes on a clothesline isn’t always practicable, and it’s far less practicable for most people. If you expect people to willingly revert to a spartan 1940s lifestyle in pursuit of energy conservation, you’ll be disappointed. That’s the reality.

[BentSailor]

See, Sailormon6, with two working parents and six-to-eight children (depending on where in my childhood we are talking about), we never used a dryer. Too expensive. We always used a clothesline.

We do so now in my adult life as well (only the four kids for me), but given my wife doesn't need to work (that's my current role) - I wasn't going to use it as the primary example.

I get where you are coming from, but I will mirror knotty's bemusement in regards to "going back to" using a clothesline. We never stopped and it's not like our house is hardly Luddite territory.

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by knothead

That one line, out of all the silliness in your post, stood out to me. What is wrong with hanging up clothes on a line?
I've saved hundreds of dollars not using the dryer when it wasn't necessary.

Personally I think the world will be a much more pleasant place without all the internal combustion engines polluting the planet. There are alternatives and they will only get better.
It doesn't have to be either or. We don't have to sacrifice our freedoms in order to work together with other countries or peoples.

Might work for YOU Knotty, but just TRY using a clothesline here in the rainforest - you'd have to set it up in the basement and then deal with the humidity they add to your house. Back in the day, drying clothes must have been a real pain for the housewives here.

[SloopJonB]

Originally Posted by BentSailor

See, Sailormon6, with two working parents and six-to-eight children (depending on where in my childhood we are talking about), we never used a dryer. Too expensive. We always used a clothesline.

We do so now in my adult life as well (only the four kids for me), but given my wife doesn't need to work (that's my current role) - I wasn't going to use it as the primary example.

I get where you are coming from, but I will mirror knotty's bemusement in regards to "going back to" using a clothesline. We never stopped and it's not like our house is hardly Luddite territory.

No, but it IS in sunny Oz. It would probably be O/K in the southern States as well but how about here or Maine or Minnesota? Well, maybe they'd get freeze dried in Minnesota.

Personally, I'd rather go with nuke power stations and a dryer.