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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

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Very few people on this site like or discuss sailboat racing for the first part. Look at then number of posts in the racing area for proof

Secondly there was a condemnation by many on this site about the people who organized and the type of racing that is presented in this version of the AC.
Mmmmmm . . . . the last AC thread had 365 posts.

I think there's a bit of a difference between racing yourself and watching the spectacle that is the AC34.

To watch a cat of that size do a foil-to-foil gybe at between 28 and 35 knots had me spellbound and I'm really not into racing.
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That thread was mostly a discussion about the death of the sailor and whether they should be allowed to continue the AC race, not about racing per se. Many on here wanted to shut it down.

The racing category has very few threads unfortunately.

Personally I am excited ny any AC rave where they are evenly matched. The only one which didn't interest me was the cat vs the monohull .
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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

I know I am old and stodgy, but when they quit using 12 meters, I just quit giving a damn.
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Actually everything was on track for a good contest until the Swedish boat went bang. Then the defender (most believe) used the new set of safety rules to try to bend the design rules outside of the Protocol and unfortunately managed to get the Race Management to include the changes and in so doing mess with areas outside his jurisdiction.

Now I know people are going to say that I'm "bashing" America again by citing the defender as the root of all evil but I'm embarrassed to say that the lynch pin behind the attempt to change design rules a week before the start of the event is a Kiwi who appears to have lost the ability to compete for competition's sake and has headed down the "win at all costs" route.

The "participants" in the forms of ETNZ and LR were just defending their rights according to the Deed and the Protocol and a positive jury result says to me they were correct.

But all that stuff aside, the "racing" has been an eye-opener and the hiding that was dished out to LR was extreme.

I also have to say that the Oracle boat when you do get a glimpse of it at work appears easily as formidable as ETNZ. I don't personally believe that there is any doubt that ETNZ will end up the challenger but the AC itself is far from a foregone conclusion.
That bold part is what I agree with - across the board. And I also agree that the attempt to change the rules at this stage was a huge mistake (one of several).

As for the Kiwi lynchpin, do you mean Murray?

PS - Ah, you mean Coutts?
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PS - Ah, you mean Coutts?
Yep, the most successful person in AC history and will do whatever it takes to extend that moniker.
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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

Didn't New Zealand disown Coutts as soon as he bailed on TNZ? Strip him of his citizenship even?
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Didn't New Zealand disown Coutts as soon as he bailed on TNZ? Strip him of his citizenship even?
"Bailed on TNZ"? That's a polite way to put it.

No, the culture here is very forgiving. He was Public Enemy No.1 for a while but over time it quietened down. It is possible however that he may rediscovered his title in coming months.

Some say the NZ government should yank his passport, have him extradited back home and put him in prison for high treason

As it happens, his old side-kick Brad Butterworth (the two of them worked together to take the AC from their own country in 2003) lives up the road from me but he might have stopped any anti-Kiwi activity.
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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

I think we all will have to wait until the GGYC comes in second.
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