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There's an elephant in the room . . .

So has there been universal agreement on this board that I missed that we're not going to discuss the Louis Vuitton Cup?

Given that we (New Zealand) appear to have no competition even when there are two boats sailing, I'm not that concerned but one has to acknowledge that it's pretty unusual for an event of this importance to slide by without comment from this forum.

I guess we'll have to wait until the GGYC comes in second.

Is that provocative enough to start the debate?


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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

Nope! Keep trying, though.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

Louis Vuitton seems to wish they were never involved too!!

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

Somewhat ironic that what could turn out to be the most visually memorable AC in recent memory seems to be pasing by with not a lot of notice, this despite the event being almost specifically designed for TV audience.

I did watch MainSail the other evening and they did a splendid show re the accident that took Andrew Simpson's life. Really these boats are very impressive to see in action even though, old fart that I am, I still found the old AC monos entertaining to watch.

Last AC I was for Oracle if only cos a good mate was working for the syndicate. This time round its "go the Kiwis" for me so I'm very much hoping to see NZ v Oracle in the cup match itself.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

Some discussion of it here:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...-race-1-a.html

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

I think the politics and court cases give it negative twist to the general public. They are not sure if they will like it, start to get involved, maybe sort of think that this is pretty neat stuff, and then, predictably, the lawyers get involved.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

I haven't been paying attention much lately, but I have always been a Team New Zealand fan. I just get sick of all the off the water nonsense that taints the event every single year. There is a long history of the host doing everything they can to tilt the odds in their favor before a single race has been run. That aspect of Americas Cup I can do without.

The boats are amazing to watch, but I feel that events like the Volvo Ocean Race are a much better test of sailor and boat than the Cup ever was.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

I've watched each of the races. And NZ is looking extremely formidable.

There is no denying that these boats and these sailors are absolutely incredible. Larry E's vision was right on the mark in every way (except, maybe, cost). This undoubtedly should be the perfect spectacle for global television AND on-shore viewership. BUT, the participants and regatta management have completely screwed it up.

When the infighting threatens the racing - no network wants to gamble air-time on that. The single boat races have been an absolute farce...though still amazing to watch.

I am trusting in the fact that these are just the baby-steps of a vibrant new direction for the AC, and that this format will remain and more participants will join the next race as the world economy improves. This is exciting racing and exciting television. They just need to stop the traditional AC legal-backbiting and simply race. This will draw fans. And it will draw television. No doubt.

It will absolutely be an exhilarating final between the Kiwis and the Yanks.


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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

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So has there been universal agreement on this board that I missed that we're not going to discuss the Louis Vuitton Cup?

Given that we (New Zealand) appear to have no competition even when there are two boats sailing, I'm not that concerned but one has to acknowledge that it's pretty unusual for an event of this importance to slide by without comment from this forum.

I guess we'll have to wait until the GGYC comes in second.

Is that provocative enough to start the debate?
Very few people on this site like or discuss sailboat racing for the first part. Look at then number of posts in the racing area for proof

Secondly there was a condemnation by many on this site about the people who organized and the type of racing that is presented in this version of the AC.

I have always had huge respect for the Kiwi team and effort in every AC and think the actual AC with Oracle will be interesting.

These boats are the ultimate in design of today.

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Re: There's an elephant in the room . . .

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BUT, the participants and regatta management have completely screwed it up.
Actually everything was on track for a good contest until the Swedish boat went bang. Then the defender (most believe) used the new set of safety rules to try to bend the design rules outside of the Protocol and unfortunately managed to get the Race Management to include the changes and in so doing mess with areas outside his jurisdiction.

Now I know people are going to say that I'm "bashing" America again by citing the defender as the root of all evil but I'm embarrassed to say that the lynch pin behind the attempt to change design rules a week before the start of the event is a Kiwi who appears to have lost the ability to compete for competition's sake and has headed down the "win at all costs" route.

The "participants" in the forms of ETNZ and LR were just defending their rights according to the Deed and the Protocol and a positive jury result says to me they were correct.

But all that stuff aside, the "racing" has been an eye-opener and the hiding that was dished out to LR was extreme.

I also have to say that the Oracle boat when you do get a glimpse of it at work appears easily as formidable as ETNZ. I don't personally believe that there is any doubt that ETNZ will end up the challenger but the AC itself is far from a foregone conclusion.
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