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Re: Oracle Team USA forfeits both ACWS season titles

ALLEGATIONS OF GROSS MISCONDUCT (Jury Notice 103)

4. On 19th August 2013 the Jury issued Jury Notice JN103. Jury Notice JN103 included allegations of gross misconduct as follows:

4.1 Dirk de Ridder, OTUSA sailing team member, was involved in giving instructions and/or directions to shore crew to add weight into a king post of AC45 boat 4, or was aware that such weight had been added, contrary to the AC45 Class Rule.

4.2 Sailor X1, OTUSA sailing team member, was aware that shore crew added weight into a king post of AC45 boat 4, and he was, or should have been, aware this action was contrary to the AC45 Class Rule.

4.3 Bryce Ruthenberg, OTUSA shore crew member, was involved in the addition of weight into a king post of at least one AC45 in contravention of the AC45 Class Rule and was aware this action was contrary to the AC45 Class Rule.

4.4 Andrew Walker, OTUSA shore crew member, was involved in the addition of weight into a king post of at least one AC45 in contravention of the AC45 Class Rule or was aware that such weight had been added and was, or should have been, aware this action was contrary to the AC45 Class Rule.

4.5 Kyle Langford, OTUSA shore crew member, and sailor on Ben Ainslie Racing (BAR) in the final three AC45 Series, was involved in the addition of weight being inserted into a king post of at least one AC45 in contravention of the AC45 Class Rule and was aware this action was contrary to the AC45 Class Rule.

4.6 Matthew Mitchell, OTUSA shore crew member, was involved in the addition of weight being inserted into a king post of at least one AC45 in contravention of the AC45 Class Rule and should have been aware this action was contrary to the AC45 Class Rule.

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DECISIONS ON PENALTIES

105. Bryce Ruthenberg

Bryce Ruthenberg is excluded from further participation in any role in the 34th America’s Cup. RRSAC rule 69.1(c) requires the Jury to inform his National Authority (Australian Yachting Federation) and the International Sailing Federation, which bodies may impose further penalties; however, in view of his full, frank and early admissions, the Jury will recommend that no further action be taken.

106. Andrew Walker

Andrew Walker is excluded from further participation in any role in the 34th America’s Cup. RRSAC rule 69.1(c) requires the Jury to inform his National Authority (Yachting New Zealand) and the International Sailing Federation, which bodies may impose further penalties.

107. Kyle Langford

In light of his age and inexperience in an America’s Cup environment, the fact that he had no involvement in the work done and his truthfulness during the hearing, together with his sincere efforts to acquaint himself with the Class Rules since the matter came to light, Kyle Langford is warned to use his best endeavours not to be involved with any activity that may be in breach of a rule in the future. The Jury is not required to make a report to any federation.

108. Matt Mitchell

Matt Mitchell is excluded from sailing on a Yacht competing in the Match for the 34th America’s Cup until 4 races have been completed. RRSAC Rule 69.1(c) requires the Jury to inform his National Authority (Yachting New Zealand) and the International Sailing Federation, which bodies may impose further penalties; however, the Jury will recommend that no further action be taken.

109. Dirk de Ridder

Dirk de Ridder is excluded from further participation in any role in the 34th America’s Cup. RRSAC Rule 69.1(c) requires the Jury to inform his National Authority (Koninklijk Nederlands Watersport Verbond) and the International Sailing Federation, which bodies may impose further penalties.

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and A-Rod and McGwire and Bonds and.......... it's pathetic.
The problem is the public really doesn't care. Fans need their teams and love their top performers. It's a gladiator kind of thing. Who cares of one person dies as long as it's exciting? I'm not saying I condone that, just saying from this seat, that's what I'm seeing. It's all about winning at all costs.

But should the actions of a few in the 2012 ACWS (where they were sailing AC45s) justify the -2 point penalty in the Cup Match that the Jury handed down to Team Oracle (where they race AC72s)? I can't see the connection.
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The problem is the public really doesn't care. Fans need their teams and love their top performers. It's a gladiator kind of thing. Who cares of one person dies as long as it's exciting? I'm not saying I condone that, just saying from this seat, that's what I'm seeing. It's all about winning at all costs.
I'm a member of the public, and I don't care ... but that's because I don't pay much attention to these sports. The ironic thing is that the only part of it that I DO care about is that it stay honest, because if they aren't competing honestly against one another, what's the point ? Even if I don't care who wins, I'd like to believe that whoever does win deserved to.
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SO what is the difference between a 2 point/loss penalty, and say pete Rose, Or College teams forfeiting a years worth of wins, and 2-4 yrs of not appearing in bowl games, losing scholarships..........I've seen worst.

If Ellis is shown to know what is going on, it is possible for him to be removed from ALL sailing races of any sort in the future, or the person responsible along with the who did the mods.........2 races at this point in time, could be minor as to what could happen!

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Re: Oracle Team USA forfeits both ACWS season titles

Imagine the investment that would have been lost, if Oracle was tossed out completely, as they should have been. Everyone from San Fransisco to NBC to the hot dog vendor would have lost everything, as there would have been no race.

I'm hoping that's why Ellison hasn't been banned yet, but will be.

If you like conspiracy theories, they may figure its better to lose than have it taken away later and have the tainted ETNZ win by default. At the moment, I prefer to think that ETNZ is just kicking their butts, despite their money and cheating.
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I don't know a thing about these races so I don't understand why some of these rules are in place.

If everyone had to keep their boat under a certain length and width, why not let them do whatever they want as long as it isn't powered by anything but the wind ? Why does anyone care what weights they have, where they are located, or anything else, why not let them do whatever they want ?

If it's about sailing ability, then like "stock cars" you'd have to sail the exact same boats. If it isn't about sailing ability but is about the boat, then let them sail whatever they can put together, and sail in whatever conditions you get on sailing day.

Like I said, I don't know much about it, so maybe I just don't "get it"
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