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Yes, that was silly of of me, I apologise, The US doesn't fund wars. What was I thinking.
Subterfuge again? Do you have a point you would like to make about funding the AC, racing or sailing?


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Its unhealthy. If Ellison's wealth could create a stage that many could not compete on, imagine what would happen if the G20 resources were available?
Think I would prefer some G20 funding of sailing then their main concern of advocating for corporate oligarchs.

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Governments are involved in funding Olympic sports and that has been far from a fair and equal opportunity between them.
It isn't perfect, I'll give you that, but think it does bring a more level playing field. Could put a universal cap on government funding. But sure some freedom loving freedom lovers would take offense because money equals free speech.

Lastly I would like to say as you wrote in a previous post about this 'not being a place for it'. I don't think this is the place to issue imperatives to fellow posters like 'back off'. I have only commented on the points that have been brought up and have not made it personal.
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As to government funding - all you have to do is set a limit, like a salary cap. Then it could truly become an international event and not a corporate event. But are there enough Kiwis and Aussies to crew all the boats?
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But are there enough Kiwis and Aussies to crew all the boats?
Good point Juli, that would be a worry. Know a guy who legendary off the start however he is 87 so might be a tad slow on switching helms. Would imagine most of the Kiwis racing would know who I'm referring to.
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Right now, 17 races are scheduled. The first to win 9 races wins the Cup. But Oracle began the Match with -2 points. So it would take them 11 races to get to 9.

What if the score got to ETNZ 8, OTUSA 7? They would have raced all 17 races. Is there a provision in the rules that allows them to tack on more races?
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Right now, 17 races are scheduled. The first to win 9 races wins the Cup. But Oracle began the Match with -2 points. So it would take them 11 races to get to 9.

What if the score got to ETNZ 8, OTUSA 7? They would have raced all 17 races. Is there a provision in the rules that allows them to tack on more races?
Is the *official* winning requirement "winning 9 races" or is it "winning the most of the 17 races"?

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Re: AC 34 - What If?

Good question on Julie's part, but AFAIK, manatee is right. First team to the majority of 17.

I really like this format of this many races, but the racing hasn't been terribly exciting to me. I'm almost waiting for the offseason again, wondering whether the next AC's boat design parameters will be much the same or quite different.

Guess cats are here to stay.
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Re: AC 34 - What If?

If majority of 17 is the actual rule, then the Cup is won if NZ gets to 8, regardless of how many wins US has at the time. They would be mathematically eliminated. I have a feeling it doesn't work that way, as all the announcers keep referring to winning 9.


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It is the first to nine however many that takes.
It is not unknown for governments to put some money into sport, often promotion and training. I think the NZ Government put in thirty or forty million - a small proportion. In past cups there has been public fundraising - like selling socks. A shortage of funds was why the government initially stepped in with a donation, but it sure is not government sponsored.
Now it seems sponsorship or rich guys indulgence.
I think it is possible to reach a point where the costs are so high they are largely prohibitive so the sport suffers.
In reality there have been few teams able to be serious competitors and frankly limited interest from most of the world.
On Sailnet there are very limited comments. On CF none. Anything Sailing none (partly perhaps as Guilletta let slip last time his disinterest arose because it wasn't held in Portugal, and besides the focus is on his race results.) Sailing Anarchy detailed discussion from probably the hard core. NZ well they get a bit stirred up with a national pride thing.
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Subterfuge again? Do you have a point you would like to make about funding the AC, racing or sailing?
No, that comment was just tongue-in-cheek trying to suggest that governments have other things on their minds than AC contests that appeal to a quickly diminishing audience. But I think I made that point a while ago.


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