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Re: AC 34 - What If?

Just watched the replay. The Kiwis are just the best sailors there are. Period.

It's like a clinic with every race. Much respect to Barker, Dalts and the rest of the NZ team. Bloody monsters - all of them.


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Re: AC 34 - What If?

It's looking like a lock, alright, but one never knows for sure til it's over.. and I have to say I'm enjoying watching it more than I expected.. actually like the short race format, leaves more time for other stuff.

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I think it has more to do with the ability to design then the ability to race. Would prefer to see a true OD but I doubt that is going to happen.
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I think it has more to do with the ability to design then the ability to race. Would prefer to see a true OD but I doubt that is going to happen.
That would certainly 'prove' the better sailors, no doubt, but it's never been the basis of the Americas' Cup.

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I think it has more to do with the ability to design then the ability to race. Would prefer to see a true OD but I doubt that is going to happen.
At the end of the day, at least looking at the pure performance numbers of these two boats, you are very close to OD performance.

What's killing Oracle is bad starts, strategic mistakes, and general sloppiness. The only win they have came when NZ were guilty of these same things.

NZ is just better, smarter, and more consistent than OR. It's not really about the boats at this point.


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It's looking like a lock, alright, but one never knows for sure til it's over.. and I have to say I'm enjoying watching it more than I expected..
I agree, I've really come around to better appreciating these boats, and the sailing involved, and have enjoyed watching them race immensely... At least, for those races or portions thereof that have been close, and competitive...

Although I'm pulling for the Kiwis, it's too bad the series seems not likely to go on beyond Sunday, I'd like to see more...
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It's not really about the boats at this point
Really! Oracle is getting hammered on the beat all the time. They really didn't have any real sail handling problems and did pretty much the same route as ETNZ and still were trounced upwind.

Added to this it is almost a complete white wash so far. The teams both contain arguably the best sailors in the world. If the boats were equal Oracle would be a lot more competitive.

This is from a person who wants ETNZ to win. Lastly, it's about time you chimed in Smack.
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At the end of the day, at least looking at the pure performance numbers of these two boats, you are very close to OD performance.

What's killing Oracle is bad starts, strategic mistakes, and general sloppiness. The only win they have came when NZ were guilty of these same things.

NZ is just better, smarter, and more consistent than OR. It's not really about the boats at this point.
These boats are far from the same. Oracle has won most of the starts. But, they just can't go upwind with ETNZ.
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Re: AC 34 - What If?

It seems NZ is clearly faster upwind, but US has an edge downwind. That may reasonably even the boats out. However, if i had to choose, I would take the upwind boat every day. The real problem for the US is NZ has had better tactics, or at least hasn't screwed theirs up like OR has a few times, and has executed with near precision, which is what it really takes to win the AC.


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These boats are far from the same. Oracle has won most of the starts. But, they just can't go upwind with ETNZ.
They're not far from the same at all. I agree with Minne's breakdown of the upwind/downwind advantages, but they are minimal (hence the sub-minute splits at the finishes).

It's the sailing and strategy that's making the critical difference - not the boats. OR just can't sail as well as NZ. How do you blow a 40 second lead DOWNWIND on the first leg? By being OR.


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