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182???

Your region seems to have pretty tough PHRF numbers, around here a Tanzer 26 would rate around 220-230. But giving the Niagara 26 (a sweet boat) a rating of 182 seems way too harsh. J-24s rate in this area and I don't think the Niagara 26 should rate level with a J-24. The venerable T-Bird would sail circles around the Niagara and rates 204 locally (PNW)
Boat for boat in certain conditions the masthead chute vs frac can make a significant difference, but I'd talk to your handicapper.
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In our area (Northumberland Strait Yachting Association) we take the weighted average of the ratings from the 2004 US Sailing PHRF manual as the base boat rating. It is not a perfect method as some areas may have a lot of one model and tend to rate all boats faster .. but it is pretty simple.

A Tanzer 26 OB rates 210
Thunderbird is 202
Niagara 26 OB is 182
Kirby 25 is 172
J24 is 171
Laser 28 is 132 (included this one for Jeff)

As I said - not perfect but most areas rate the Niagara between 180 and 184.

You will probably also find that in your areas most of the boats have a much higher PHRF number than in ours and other areas.

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get a new chute....just been through that with our old 1982 kites,,,the difference is staggering. on an old 30ft boat, we managed to overtake a benateau 40.7 downwind at a recent regatta weekend......the boat was just a different lady.....get a new chute!
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You need to check the dates of threads before you reply. I'm pretty sure, since this thread is a year old, he has either gotten a new spinnaker or has decided he doesn't need one. BTW, I pass 40' boats all the time without the use of a spinnaker...and my boat is only 28' long..

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you AFOC, you have multiple hulls... I'd be su-prised if you couldn't. Unless you're still dragging that body. I told you - lime, and a 55 gallon drum.

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Fishes got to eat too... and them bones all disappeared once the stringy fleshy bits got eaten away...

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Well it would be interesting to hear how much a new spinnaker fixed it.
The other point I would make is having the traveller down will flatten the main, which is unlikely to be required on a beam reach in 10 knots and is inconsistent with the other adjustments.
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Putting the travaler all the way down does not flatten the main however it does reduce heeling. Halyard tension, outhaul, mast bend and flattening reef are used to flattedna main.

On a beam reach you want the traveller all the way down. You will then need to ease the main sheet until the main starts to luff and then pull it in until the luffing mostly stops.
You should have your vang in pretty hard and try to get all of the ticklers on your battens flying. The top one is a challenge.

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BTW, I pass 40' boats all the time without the use of a spinnaker...and my boat is only 28' long..
SD don't you want to rephrase that to:

.....I pass SOME 40' boats ...bla bla bla.....

...as some 40' boats are quite an embarrassement to me....bla bla bla.....
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SD don't you want to rephrase that to:

.....I pass SOME 40' boats ...bla bla bla.....

...as some 40' boats are quite an embarrassement to me....bla bla bla.....
Giu-

I'll re-phrase it when I see your boat on the waters in my sailing area, and I fail to run you down.... Right now, I run the 40' boats here down regularly...

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