PHRF for Multi's

T34C · #1 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

Is there a way to give a fair (to all) PHRF rating for multi-hulls. Can a Hobi race in the same fleet with keel boats without changing rating systems.

werebeagle · #2 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

IIRC, the PHRF rating system is strictly for self-righting sailboats, and as such excludes dinghies and multi-hulls.

T34C · #3 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

Beagle- I was just hoping someone out there had derived some great formula to handicap multi's into an existing fleet race.

sailingdog · #4 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

Actually, I do believe that the PHRF system does included multihulls. Some of the larger races use it IIRC.

werebeagle · #5 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

I stand corrected. I just remember reading that the PHRF was for self righting hulls, but I cna't find that now.

But I did find this on the USSailing site.

"The United States Performance Handicap Racing Fleet Committee (USPHRF) is a technical rule committee of US SAILING that promotes performance handicap racing for monohull and multihull sailing yachts applying the PHRF® rule."

Charlie

sailingdog · #6 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007

Given the popularity of multihulls, especially in the racing scene... it wouldn't make sense to have a system that didn't allow for them. I get the CTOA newsletter and I know that they use the PHRF for the Corsair 28s that are in races that have mixed fleets.

2ndimpression · #7 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007

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Originally Posted by sailingdog

Given the popularity of multihulls, especially in the racing scene... it wouldn't make sense to have a system that didn't allow for them. I get the CTOA newsletter and I know that they use the PHRF for the Corsair 28s that are in races that have mixed fleets.

Im not sure that PHRF has a wind scale like portsmouth but I don't see how a hobie can sail against a keel boat. In light light winds Hobie's don't move that fast and in heavy winds they fly. Keel boats however can usually keep close to their hull speed in light or heavy winds if they got a nice sail selection. In my view a Keel boat would prolly beat a Hobie in light winds and a Hobie would beat a Keel boat in heavy. I guess if there was a wind scale it would be possible but in my personal opinion i would not want to race against something that weighs 300 pounds when im around 3000 pounds. It's hard eough to compare apples to apples just with keel boats never mind throwing in a banana.

sailingdog · #8 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007

2ndimpression-

We're not talking beach cats here... more like Corsair F28s and the like... which are significantly heavier and larger... Last I checked, they don't rate DINGHIES with PHRF ratings... You're mixing apples and oranges...

2ndimpression · #9 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007

sailingdog-

The fellow who started this thread was asking about hobie's and with your post i read it as "it wouldn't make sense for a hobie not to race PHRF". I just put down my opinion, didn't mean to insult ya.

I don't even know what a Corsair F28s even looks like

Giulietta · #10 (**permalink**) 01-19-2007

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Originally Posted by 2ndimpression

sailingdog-

The fellow who started this thread was asking about hobie's and with your post i read it as "it wouldn't make sense for a hobie not to race PHRF". I just put down my opinion, didn't mean to insult ya.

Yes, yes, insult him.....

Trimarans are not boats...tel him that...tel him that....