PHRF—What is considered a fast boat? - Page 3 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Out There > Racing
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #21  
Old 04-13-2007
GeorgeB's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Alameda, San Francisco Bay
Posts: 1,503
Thanks: 1
Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts
Rep Power: 10
GeorgeB is on a distinguished road
As I said before, it’s not your absolute number, It’s how well you sail against it. Giu my friend, that -3 rating kills you. The numbers you posted on your upwind/downwind speeds are not sufficient to beat me in my lowly Catalina on corrected time. Worse than that, you have to beat SC 52s and Farr 40s boat for boat. You absolutely do not want to race San Francisco/ Northern California unless you can somehow convince NORCAL PHRF to give you a rating in the 30’s. Fortunately for me, the typical 20-30kts winds here tend to favor my somewhat heavier boat and I sail quite well to my rating. Below 10 kts WS and it’s another story.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #22  
Old 04-13-2007
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
I love when the underdog wins... There was a Nicholson 33 that won the Fastnet race two years ago... thought that was wonderful...
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #23  
Old 04-13-2007
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 12
Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeB
As I said before, it’s not your absolute number, It’s how well you sail against it. Giu my friend, that -3 rating kills you. The numbers you posted on your upwind/downwind speeds are not sufficient to beat me in my lowly Catalina on corrected time. Worse than that, you have to beat SC 52s and Farr 40s boat for boat. You absolutely do not want to race San Francisco/ Northern California unless you can somehow convince NORCAL PHRF to give you a rating in the 30’s. Fortunately for me, the typical 20-30kts winds here tend to favor my somewhat heavier boat and I sail quite well to my rating. Below 10 kts WS and it’s another story.
Well yes...its a good point...however....not everyone can play guitar like Clapton....

Like I said, I compared my actual rating with a similar one on that PHRF page...I'd still race you

I normally race similar boats only...not club races or cruiser races
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #24  
Old 04-14-2007
Here .. Pull this
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,031
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
Sailormann will become famous soon enough
PHRF is a measurement system designed and established in order to let errant sailors know how far they strayed from the true path of righteousness. As the CS 30 has been indisputably acknowledged as the ideal hull form, married with an optimum performance level, degree of comfort, beauty and all around perfection, those who have made purchasing errors and wound up with other boats, need to know the extent of their sins.

Hence we have PHRF, IRC, etc. ad nauseum. The CS 30 was placed on a pedestal, in the center. As there were roughly 281 boat models in production at the time, the CS 30 was assigned number 141, right in the middle - the number one on either side of, and of lesser stature than the number 4 - a symbolic indication of the raising of the boat above lesser objects on either side of it.

To Port (the 'high-side') were placed the slower, yet stoutly built and, in a dated sort of way, pretty-looking boats. Seaworthy vessels to be sure, some even approaching the utopia that is the CS 30, but still falling short in some detail or other.

As the shortcomings were primarily determined to be an excess of weight or ornament, points were assigned on the positive, or high side of 141 to indicate how many excess issues there were with the boat. Hence the Westsail 32, while undeniably a seaworthy and good-looking boat, can only be termed an "obese" craft and numerous points have been assigned to it as a gentle, yet constant reminder that the health of the vessel may be well-improved through shedding some of that poundage.

Conversely, to Starboard of 141, the term low-side is used to indicate those boats whose owners have stooped to the lower, less ethical methods of trying to achieve nirvana in yacht design. The sins here are numerous and run the gamut from minor to egregious. Points have been deducted accordingly.

Those whose sins were merely the creation of an unneccessarily large yacht have been punished less severely than those who have gone so far as to defy nature and incorporate materials other than pure, simple God-given fibreglass in the construction of their pitifully grotesque craft. Thus, we see that something like a C&C 38, while undeniably a study in excess, has merely lost a few points, while the diabolical creations called sleds by their miscreant sponsors are well and truly exposed. These radical departures from the innate principles of both physics and civil chemistry have been mercilessly penalised, the truly evil even having been assigned scores in the negative integers.

Of late, these creatures of darkness, not content with hiding their nefarious compounds of carbon and kevlar in the bilges where they belong, have begun flagrantly displaying their (literally) black arts, disguised as masts or booms, in plain view of the decent folk who are merely attempting to spend a pleasant family afternoon in a communal harbour. How can they be expected to explain these abominations to their children ????

Finally, if we dig to the bottom of the muck and mire, we find true mutants, lacking in decency and refusing to adhere to the most basic of established boatbuilding norms and credos. This gash heap of humanity has gone so far as to construct vessels with more than one hull, and not a keel to be found amongst them.

They offer the excuse of "reducing wetted surface". Well, surely the touch of righteous waters must sear the souls of these unnatural objects, so it is understandable that they would try to minimise their agony. Occasionally we read about one who, unable to countenance the continued torture of existence, turns turtle forever, so that their hulls might never have to feel the pain of truth and decency ever again.

Last edited by Sailormann; 04-14-2007 at 09:56 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #25  
Old 04-14-2007
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 12
Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice Giulietta is just really nice
Sailormann....that was trully an award winning post...very very very funny... (you have a friend here).

I really liked it....

By the way...you're wrong about the number....141 means that a boat with a rating of "0" (zero) will sail around you 141 times in one mile!!!

he larger the number, the more times it will be circled....
In my case 141 + (-3) = 144 circles around you !!!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #26  
Old 04-14-2007
Thanks Courtney.
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: IL
Posts: 3,954
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 11
T34C has a spectacular aura about T34C has a spectacular aura about T34C has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailormann
PHRF is a measurement system designed and established in order to let errant sailors know how far they strayed from the true path of righteousness. As the CS 30 has been indisputably acknowledged as the ideal hull form, married with an optimum performance level, degree of comfort, beauty and all around perfection, those who have made purchasing errors and wound up with other boats, need to know the extent of their sins.

Hence we have PHRF, IRC, etc. ad nauseum. The CS 30 was placed on a pedestal, in the center. As there were roughly 281 boat models in production at the time, the CS 30 was assigned number 141, right in the middle - the number one on either side of, and of lesser stature than the number 4 - a symbolic indication of the raising of the boat above lesser objects on either side of it.

To Port (the 'high-side') were placed the slower, yet stoutly built and, in a dated sort of way, pretty-looking boats. Seaworthy vessels to be sure, some even approaching the utopia that is the CS 30, but still falling short in some detail or other.

As the shortcomings were primarily determined to be an excess of weight or ornament, points were assigned on the positive, or high side of 141 to indicate how many excess issues there were with the boat. Hence the Westsail 32, while undeniably a seaworthy and good-looking boat, can only be termed an "obese" craft and numerous points have been assigned to it as a gentle, yet constant reminder that the health of the vessel may be well-improved through shedding some of that poundage.

Conversely, to Starboard of 141, the term low-side is used to indicate those boats whose owners have stooped to the lower, less ethical methods of trying to achieve nirvana in yacht design. The sins here are numerous and run the gamut from minor to egregious. Points have been deducted accordingly.

Those whose sins were merely the creation of an unneccessarily large yacht have been punished less severely than those who have gone so far as to defy nature and incorporate materials other than pure, simple God-given fibreglass in the construction of their pitifully grotesque craft. Thus, we see that something like a C&C 38, while undeniably a study in excess, has merely lost a few points, while the diabolical creations called sleds by their miscreant sponsors are well and truly exposed. These radical departures from the innate principles of both physics and civil chemistry have been mercilessly penalised, the truly evil even having been assigned scores in the negative integers.

Of late, these creatures of darkness, not content with hiding their nefarious compounds of carbon and kevlar in the bilges where they belong, have begun flagrantly displaying their (literally) black arts, disguised as masts or booms, in plain view of the decent folk who are merely attempting to spend a pleasant family afternoon in a communal harbour. How can they be expected to explain these abominations to their children ????

Finally, if we dig to the bottom of the muck and mire, we find true mutants, lacking in decency and refusing to adhere to the most basic of established boatbuilding norms and credos. This gash heap of humanity has gone so far as to construct vessels with more than one hull, and not a keel to be found amongst them.

They offer the excuse of "reducing wetted surface". Well, surely the touch of righteous waters must sear the souls of these unnatural objects, so it is understandable that they would try to minimise their agony. Occasionally we read about one who, unable to countenance the continued torture of existence, turns turtle forever, so that their hulls might never have to feel the pain of truth and decency ever again.
And while the commonly , and profusly used phrase, and it's inherant explitive, "BS" was already taken, they opted for the Olde English varient of said phrase "Complete ****" or just "CS" for short.
__________________
hunter Legend 37 Semper Paratus
Formerly - Tartan 34C Yawl
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #27  
Old 04-15-2007
Here .. Pull this
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,031
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
Sailormann will become famous soon enough
Giu - Thanks - just trying to help the newbies learn properly


T34C

Quote:
And while the commonly , and profusly used phrase, and it's inherant explitive, "BS" was already taken, they opted for the Olde English varient of said phrase "Complete ****" or just "CS" for short.
It's okay to admit a little envy ...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #28  
Old 04-15-2007
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
I have to give Sailormann a point for his response to T34C... well done...
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #29  
Old 04-15-2007
Thanks Courtney.
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: IL
Posts: 3,954
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 11
T34C has a spectacular aura about T34C has a spectacular aura about T34C has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailormann
T34C

It's okay to admit a little envy ...
Sailormann- Right now I envy anyone who has a boat actually in the water!!!! I'd almost take that h30 the CG rescued over in the Cruising thread, OK not really. Your prior post was a prime example of Bovine Scattlogy.
__________________
hunter Legend 37 Semper Paratus
Formerly - Tartan 34C Yawl
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Re-naming the boat pirateofcapeann General Discussion (sailing related) 130 01-07-2014 11:14 AM
Making Passage w/o a Rudder wind_magic Seamanship & Navigation 60 07-16-2010 01:23 PM
Naming and Renaming Your Boat Sue & Larry Buying a Boat Articles 0 12-15-2003 07:00 PM
buying first boat jerrycooper14 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 21 04-23-2002 02:15 PM
Refitting an Older Boat Sue & Larry Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 12-16-2000 07:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:06 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.