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Old 11-07-2007
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Question Racing question for anyone

I grew up sailing Hobie 16 and 18's around as fast as I could, I loved being out on the wire, hanging over the ocean and keeping the boat perfectly balanced. Tacking was a little more complicated but fun.

Fast forward to current day, I have no drive to race my current boat but: is there a sailing rule against a boat having a trapeze system and the crew wearing harnesses to get their weight further out on the windward side?

I'd look it up in the rule book but it confuses the cruiser in me.

I'm sure I could do with just a few Racers telling me how dumb I am for asking this before I get the clue, but fire away.


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Most PHRF classes forbid traps.
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PHRF has nothing to do with this. Rule 49.2 of the Racing Rules of Sailing has everything to do with it as it is the rule concerning lifelines and crew position in relation to it. Case #36 expands upon this and clarifies what is a legal crew position with illustrations. You may use a trapeze at any time, but if your boat is equipped with lifelines, your torso must be inside of them. If your boat has double lifelines the torso must be inside of the lower one. Rule 49.1 allows for hiking straps to be used to hike out (obviously only for non-lifelined boats). Class rules such as the Hobie fleet, modify Rule 49.1 to allow trapezes.
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Any rule forbids it..

You can't have more than your legs hanging from the side of the boat, and that only if your butt is on the deck

You can not have any body part outside the life lines. Game over for you.

I don't know what boat you have, but riding a trapeze would do litle for you, and probably get you injured...

You're only allowed trapeze in boats desigend as such
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Any rule forbids it..

You can't have more than your legs hanging from the side of the boat, and that only if your butt is on the deck

You can not have any body part outside the life lines. Game over for you.

I don't know what boat you have, but riding a trapeze would do litle for you, and probably get you injured...

You're only allowed trapeze in boats desigend as such
So Giu - you're saying these guys should be tossed?



btw Ernesto Bertarelli & crew at the Farr 40 worlds.
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Funny that you should mention this… I think I remember reading about multiple protests in a single regatta concerning this rule (could have been the Farr 40’s.) Rule 49.2 uses the word “taught” and the protest centered around its definition (I think that Bill Clinton was one of the “lawyers”.) As I recall, the top line was relatively “taught” and the lower one was also “taught” when it had the weight of the crew against it. I think that the protest was resolved by the judges doing a “beauty contest”, using their own judgment on what was loose or taught. I think some boats were DSQ’d because of it while others were not.
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Where I come from, yes. They would be protested. The two lines rule, and butt in deck

However, they have the butt in deck and only one life line..It would be protested.
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I see that pic also as being protest able. As the torso's are out side the lower lines. Altho the butts are questionable about how well they are planted on the deck............

Maybe the rules need to be a bit more specific as to what is inside vs out side on a double line boat?

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