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I''m prepared to be tied to a stake and burned for stiring up a little controversy...

"The general state of club level racing is pathetic. Sure there are some good, tight fleets, but I''ve seen too many skippers starting at the wrong end of a starting line on the unfavored tack. I port tack start these cream puffs all the time. If most skippers are having trouble with this Racing 101 problem, how can they be expected to know the more technical aspects of the sport. Why are most racers so bad?"

Okay. I''m ready. Take your best shot!

Douglas Chew - s/v Challenger - Berkeley, CA
Just curious, but what local SF Bay series or races are you schooling everyone there champ? There are such a number of ridiculously good sailors on the Bay in so many classes that your post just sounds silly. When you're winning the ocean series, on a winning ride during big Big Boats, crushing the Etchells fleet, or doing the 505 worlds, get back to us. It seems you're not at all familiar with where to find the appropriate venue for your talents, and believe me, if you are talented on the Bay, folks will know. Trolls like yours do very very little to encourage participation and not at all indicative of how most really great sailors on the Bay look at newer racers at all.

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Hey Puddin - welcome to SN dude.

DChew's is a lament that I've seen a lot of on SA and elsewhere. What is the answer to ramping up participation?
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Puddin, read the whole thread.
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Yeah, he has had 7 years to improve. Maybe he IS crushing the Etchells by now.
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Berkeley?

No wonder dude, its not about racing out there on the circle, its more about survival or boredom, depending on the wind. The marina is so nasty with moss and dirt you can't tell what color your lines are. (We just bought a Merit 25 that's been there for years, moss on dock lines, and all the running rigging is grey/black, not to mention the home port of our lady of perpetual mildew)


Figure out why some of the best BYC sailors bring their boats to the Estuary to race at OYC, Island, Encinal beer cans.
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Interesting thread. Four years ago, I was a novice cruising sailors that signed on as crew on a Pearson Flyer. The skipper had one and a half seasons under his belt. We would have been one of those boats that dchew loves to hate.

There are two brick `n mortar yacht clubs in the greater Milwaukee area, Milwaukee (MYC) and South Shore (SSYC). Both run a Wednesday evening social racing series and the two combine to sponsor a Saturday PHRF regatta series. MYC has about 24 boats on the water for Wednesday racing; SSYC has about 70.

I’m with SSYC. We have two divisions with roughly 45 boats flying spinnakers and 25 in JAM. Spins are split in 3 sections and JAM in two. We manage to get in 15 Wednesday races in our short Lake Michigan season. The two race committees share ownership of the weekend PHRF series. The wide variety of conditions on Wednesday’s helps us to grow individually and gel as a crew. The skipper has gained confidence handling his boat and the crew has become a team. We have become pretty successful.

I dug into the archives and found the social series has had about the same level of participation over the last decade. The Saturday regattas have suffered a significant decline, a decline that is starting to alarm our race committee and prompted a questionnaire being sent out to past racers asking why they don’t participate on Saturdays any more. The two clubs routinely put 90-100 boats on the water every Wednesday evening yet they have trouble getting 20-24 boats to race one or two Saturdays a month.

What sort of trends, if any, do you guys see out in your area?
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Yeah, he has had 7 years to improve. Maybe he IS crushing the Etchells by now.
I realize the original post has aged out,
but just to echo Pudding's comments,
I have to add that if you can not find
good competition somewhere on S.F. Bay
you are either the worlds best sailor in every
conceivable discipline and class or you have not yet
ventured far enough from your duck pond.
I often envy the 'bay' sailors when I see the level
of participation they have for many of their events.
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+1 on that Cool. The bay area has some of the best racers around. I don't think anyone would dispute that.
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Bay sailors are good in wind and small waves.

Some of the Ocean racing division do well offshore, but the central bay is its own little world of strong afternoon winds across the tides.

Buzzard's bay can match it, with fresh SW stacking up a chop. Lake sailors
and LI Sound/Chesapeake bay have better light air skills.
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Bay sailors are good in wind and small waves.

Some of the Ocean racing division do well offshore, but the central bay is its own little world of strong afternoon winds across the tides.

Buzzard's bay can match it, with fresh SW stacking up a chop. Lake sailors
and LI Sound/Chesapeake bay have better light air skills.

Shouldn't comment, but...

nh, this thread isn't about who's is bigger, or about Buzzard's Bay or anywhere else east of Stockton. It's about someone who couldn't seem to find 'good' competition on SF Bay. Sailing year round does help develop pretty good skill sets.
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