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It is said "In racing if you wish to make a small fortune, you should start with a large one." Boats, cars, planes, motorcycles, etc. pretty much the same, cubic dollars equal speed.
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True - but remember, the money in racing is not the prize money...it's the sponsorships. So the question is how do you get more continual positive exposure for these brands when these races are only run every few years?
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Look, brand exposure in these sports is enormous. Look at the VOR...it had a cumulative global TV audience of over 2 BILLION! This means that over the 9 months - VOR brands were connected with consumers this many times via television alone. That's freakin' huge.

The question now is - how do you apply a Nascar or F1 model to the VOR or Vendee? The dynamics are very similar.

It's doable.

Smack baby... the problem is that all those boats were owned by corporations. It was a tax write off. Any sponsorship they got was a drop in the bucket and the financial math of vs and that a majority of views was generated by that silly app game they had that most bailed out when realizing - why play if no chance in winning... way less value per view than say Nascar.

Nascar you purchase a seat - you watch. You buy swag and all the other things. It can not be applied to sailing because people will only pay for what they physically can experience. Nascar works because front seats - can be done. Easily getting autographs and Fan personal connection - done. You can hear, smell, feel, and see all of the action and in a few hours can go home with "I was there"...

This is a "instant gratification" society. Unless we start getting that dancing man on all our raceboats around to go viral - less the skipper and crew - incredibly boring to watch and worse than golf..
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A harsh reality is when I realized how much time I spent working on my old race car instead of racing it. My hobie turned into wrench work, instead of driving fast.
And to some of us this is part of the experience! I love just "messing about in boats". Never was much into being a mechanic which is why I just drive my car for the fun. Boats, thems I could tinker w/ all the time. Just may do so when I retire in a few years.
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You get the fun of winning a sometimes good looking piece of glass or metal with your friends and drinking is involved

What could be better ?
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Are you in the pic tom?
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Its Tom ,Mark, Joe ,awards guy, Howard and Uncle Joes hand total crew was 8 that day

I am marginal on tactics and strong on NOT screwing the Spinnaker work

Me and mark are the youth at 53 and 40 working up to uncle Joe at 92

Its was one of are bigger ones as we won division and overall
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