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Okay, I've got my guys starting to work on the database. You racers give me the fields we need to have. Does anyone have a spreadsheet or something from an actual race?
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Not only are you going to have to adjust for the difference in performance of the various boats, but to make it fair, you'd have to adjust for the different weather conditions and seastate at the different venues. I don't see how you can gather enough data to do a reasonable approximation of that at the current time, with the current technology.
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Well, to me, the underlying assumption on which all that data and technology would be predicated is flawed - that is that it needs to be "fair". And what does "fair" really mean anyway?

It's just a fun bashfest.

But seriously, let's say that we just use the Water-Body-Type/Beaufort-Scale/Boat-Type. Pretty good start don't you think?

Anyway, it's doable from a technology standpoint. Trust me.
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SD, respectfully, f**k a whole bunch of fair.

The problem with "being fair" is that you end up with a 400 page rulebook that covers every what-if, every complaint, every reason why a boat doesn't win, and then sets out handicapping, penalties, sizes, weights, minimums and maximums and ...

It stops being fun, starts getting expensive, and the sportsmanship gets lost in the shuffle.


If one is really really worried about winning, then perhaps an unstructured fun race is not what one is looking for.

Auto racing is finally getting it. Compare the 24 heures de le Mans to the 24 hours of le Mons, and tell me which race sounds like more fun.
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SD,

Since you do not have to go out at a set time or in set conditions. Picking the best conditions for your boat is part of the game.

I still think you should add the PHRF rating to the database, even if you don't use them for anything, it would be fun fact for comparison purposes.
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In that case, the "fair" assumptions go out the window... and planning what conditions under which you race is a critical part of your winning strategy...
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Since you do not have to go out at a set time or in set conditions. Picking the best conditions for your boat is part of the game.

I still think you should add the PHRF rating to the database, even if you don't use them for anything, it would be fun fact for comparison purposes.
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Okay, let's start getting down to brass tacks. I need to get this database going.

Let's get the main fields worked out. Copy and paste what I have below and add, change and/or mark out as needed:

1. Yacht Name
• S/V Whatever

2. Yacht Brand
• Benehunterlina

3. Hull Number
• 1

4. LOA
• 30

5. Number of Crew
• 3

6. Category (one of the following - need help with this one)
• XLR (over 40' racer)
• XLC (over 40' cruiser)
• LR (30' to 40' racer)
• LC (30' to 30' cruiser)
• MR (25' to 29' racer)
• MC (25' to 29' cruiser)
• SR (Under 25' racer)
• SC (Under 25' cruiser)
• LMH (30' to 40' multi)
• MMH (25'-29' multi)
• SMH (Under 25' multi)
• OCWS (other crap with sails)

7. Course (selected from a list of available courses)
• Body of Water
• Long Course
• Short Course

8. Date and Start Time of Entered Race

9. Beaufort Scale During Race
• F10

10. Overall Race Time
• 01:01:01:01

11. GPS Track
• Ideally we can provide downloadable tracks for each course. Then you can upload your track with it's time. I'll look into this. Will probably use GPX or something similar.

What else do we need as a basis?

As for the PHRF stuff, I agree that it might hold value for some. But I figure we want to keep this as dirty simple as possible. Then if people want to argue PHRF they have the info to do it on their own.
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As for the PHRF stuff, I agree that it might hold value for some. But I figure we want to keep this as dirty simple as possible. Then if people want to argue PHRF they have the info to do it on their own.
Nobody can do it on their own if you don't include the PHRF rating in the database. Just add an input field for PHRF rating. Make it optional, but I think it would be fun to know and easy to include.

SD, you're making my point!
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It's obvious

That in order to work properly, you simply need to get the Polars for every boat racing and program them. Then you feed in the reported windspeeds and directions, based on the orientation of the various triangles. The savvy guys would set up their course so they'd have one long starboard tack upwind (not too tight); a reach, then a gybe, and another a long tight reach back. After sending in the data, you wouldn't even really need to actually sail the course.
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