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I was sailing your waters September last year, Thomas Point, Bloody Point and Eastern Bay. Small Craft Advisory one day, less than 5kn breeze the next.

The Delaware River is not in the same league, but with the right combination of wind direction and tidal current I will be competitive.

I shall also remove the garbage from my boat, it tends to accumulate, more garbage in than out.

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Ullah - here's your course as plotted from your coords:



Verify the coordinates as converted to decimal. And let me know if any tweaks need to be made.

I'll start a library of courses as people build them.
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Coordinates confirmed, thanks.
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Sweet. Okay, who else wants to stake out a GR course?
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[quote] Short Course: 2.5nm
Medium Course: 5nm
Long Course: 10nm [quote]


Maybe everyone should turn in times for all three courses, by simply making more roundings?


Unless you use class of boat, I'm not sure how you get around PRHF. When I get a GPS we can lay courses out for Hubbard.
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[QUOTE=PCP777;568279][quote] Short Course: 2.5nm
Medium Course: 5nm
Long Course: 10nm
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Maybe everyone should turn in times for all three courses, by simply making more roundings?


Unless you use class of boat, I'm not sure how you get around PRHF. When I get a GPS we can lay courses out for Hubbard.
PCP - you can go ahead and use Google Earth to do it. That's what I used for the Travis courses.

Right now the boat classes are as follows (staying as broad as possible):

• XLR (over 40' racer)
• XLC (over 40' cruiser)
• LR (30' to 40' racer)
• LC (30' to 30' cruiser)
• MR (25' to 29' racer)
• MC (25' to 29' cruiser)
• SR (Under 25' racer)
• SC (Under 25' cruiser)
• LMH (30' to 40' multi)
• MMH (25'-29' multi)
• SMH (Under 25' multi)
• OCWS (other crap with sails)

The only boats that I can see being hurt right now are full-keelers. For example, I'd call my C27 a MC - and I sure hope that I'd beat a full keeler of the same length. Should we add a 'Heavy Cruiser" category?
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Short Course: 2.5nm
Medium Course: 5nm
Long Course: 10nm

PCP - you can go ahead and use Google Earth to do it. That's what I used for the Travis courses.

Right now the boat classes are as follows (staying as broad as possible):

• XLR (over 40' racer)
• XLC (over 40' cruiser)
• LR (30' to 40' racer)
• LC (30' to 30' cruiser)
• MR (25' to 29' racer)
• MC (25' to 29' cruiser)
• SR (Under 25' racer)
• SC (Under 25' cruiser)
• LMH (30' to 40' multi)
• MMH (25'-29' multi)
• SMH (Under 25' multi)
• OCWS (other crap with sails)

The only boats that I can see being hurt right now are full-keelers. For example, I'd call my C27 a MC - and I sure hope that I'd beat a full keeler of the same length. Should we add a 'Heavy Cruiser" category?
I don't know, you and I fall into the same category and the only reason I might be able to keep up with you (I sail on a C 27 all the time) is because of my brand new bottom job.
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You guys are making this way too complicated. I see Smack’s regatta more like a “speed trial” (Think bicycles). That way, guys like Smack who may not have much of a chance to race and compare themselves to other boats, and will get a rough idea on how well they sail. (Plus, I think what Smack is really trying to do is compile a database of potential next boats.) So I say we all pick the “short course” and sail that. (But how about making it an integer, say, 3NM). By keeping it short, we are all pretty much using white sails. Rather than making the divisions length based, how about using PHRF divisions? (0 – 100, 101 -150, 151 – 200, +200). Using PHRF (and a 3 NM course). All what Smack has to do is multiply the person’s PHRF number by 3 and subtract that (in seconds) from that person’s time. What could be easier? And, besides, this gives the non-racers an introduction into our sport. No PHRF? No Problem. There a several PHRF data bases out there so, all you have to do is look your boat up. When in doubt, we can use the NORCAL PHRF data base and the multi’s can use San Francisco BAMA’s ratings. Boats smaller than 22’ can use their Portsmouth rating. Basing the divisions on LOA only is kind of meaningless, I used to race on a 36 footer that had a 78 rating and my family station wagon, only two feet shorter, is a 147.

This should be a FUN kind of thing (Smack, no trophies!). If you have to keep score, score it so no boat finishes lower than third (like the Baja Ha, Ha). I’m a pretty serious racer, but I can assure you that I’m doing Smack’s regatta as a double hand with Mrs. B. (and I’ll probably have to come up with an excuse for why we are sailing in a circle). Let’s keep it fun, simple, and short. Make it complicated, and no one will do it. Now, all I got to do is figure out how to make a serial interface work on my new computer and figure out how to get the old Garmin MAP software to run on Vista.
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Any more contestants, I need something to distract me from the 28" of snow on ground and another 6" to 12" due Tuesday and Wednesday.

Just use google earth ruler function to make your course triangle, stretch or shrink to produce desired course length. Use "thumbtack" function to locate coordinates.
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You guys are making this way too complicated. I see Smack’s regatta more like a “speed trial” (Think bicycles). That way, guys like Smack who may not have much of a chance to race and compare themselves to other boats, and will get a rough idea on how well they sail. (Plus, I think what Smack is really trying to do is compile a database of potential next boats.) So I say we all pick the “short course” and sail that. (But how about making it an integer, say, 3NM). By keeping it short, we are all pretty much using white sails. Rather than making the divisions length based, how about using PHRF divisions? (0 – 100, 101 -150, 151 – 200, +200). Using PHRF (and a 3 NM course). All what Smack has to do is multiply the person’s PHRF number by 3 and subtract that (in seconds) from that person’s time. What could be easier? And, besides, this gives the non-racers an introduction into our sport. No PHRF? No Problem. There a several PHRF data bases out there so, all you have to do is look your boat up. When in doubt, we can use the NORCAL PHRF data base and the multi’s can use San Francisco BAMA’s ratings. Boats smaller than 22’ can use their Portsmouth rating. Basing the divisions on LOA only is kind of meaningless, I used to race on a 36 footer that had a 78 rating and my family station wagon, only two feet shorter, is a 147.

This should be a FUN kind of thing (Smack, no trophies!). If you have to keep score, score it so no boat finishes lower than third (like the Baja Ha, Ha). I’m a pretty serious racer, but I can assure you that I’m doing Smack’s regatta as a double hand with Mrs. B. (and I’ll probably have to come up with an excuse for why we are sailing in a circle). Let’s keep it fun, simple, and short. Make it complicated, and no one will do it. Now, all I got to do is figure out how to make a serial interface work on my new computer and figure out how to get the old Garmin MAP software to run on Vista.
Fair enough. Hard to argue with serious racers. So, here's the revised breakdown...

Course Options:
• Short Course - 5 nm
• Long Course - 10 nm

As for the PHRF thing - the main issue I see, bearing in mind your edict of keeping it simple (which I totally agree with), the divisions you list would be a great solution...BUT then we have to get into Portsmouth, BAMA, lots of multiplication, etc. for each entry. And that's what we're trying to avoid.

I guess my thoughts are that experienced racers will know all that info from the boat make and LOA listed with each entry. But the beginners won't have to go track down a bunch of info to get started. Then they'll see lower PHRF-rated boats always beating the station wagons - and they'll start coming to SN and asking why. Nice learning opportunity.

That said, PHRF keeps coming up and I don't want to nix it without good reason. I'm just not seeing it as simpler than the LOA Racer/Cruiser breakdown.
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