Elite Female Professionals - Where Are They?

smackdaddy · #1 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

Okay - this thread is not intended to simply raise hackles. I actually would like to talk about this issue and hear from women on this...

Why are there no women skippers or crew in major non-singlehanding ocean races?

I'm a huge Sam Davies fan. She completely rocked the Vendee. I love that chick. So capability doesn't seem to be the issue. Right?

So, why no women in the VOR, etc.? Is it because of the extended legs on these trips (sex potential)? Or is it because women "can't pull their weight" (too "weak")?

Sam SINGLEHANDED an Open60 AROUND THE FREAKIN' WORLD!!!!

Really...what's the deal?

mitchbrown · #2 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

Smack

I just finished reading "Takeing the helm" by Dawn Riley.
She was captain in a whitebread 60 race around the world in the southern ocean. All female crew except one token male. The rudder broke off 3 times and they still completed the race. Ill say they can take it, Wow

Mitch

smackdaddy · #3 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

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Originally Posted by mitchbrown

Smack

I just finished reading "Takeing the helm" by Dawn Riley.
She was captain in a whitebread 60 race around the world in the southern ocean. All female crew except one token male. The rudder broke off 3 times and they still completed the race. Ill say they can take it, Wow

Mitch

I guess that's my point. An all female kick-ass crew with a "token male" - but not the inverse as porc points out above. Is it really hygiene? Is it sex? What?

I just figure if you can SpaceShuttle fertiles for several weeks without catastrophe, you should be able to ocean race them right?

Seriously, I'd like to see some really awesome chicks (of which there are many) kickin' it in the big races with the dudes.

Maybe it's money?

smackdaddy · #4 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

17 guests? On a Saturday night!?! Holy Crap!

C'mon peeps - step up and be heard!

smackdaddy · #5 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

Woah! 21 Guests????? In the Racing forum????

What are you waiting for????

PCP · #6 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy

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Why are there no women skippers or crew in major non-singlehanding ocean races?
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So, why no women in the VOR, etc.? Is it because of the extended legs on these trips (sex potential)? Or is it because women "can't pull their weight" (too "weak")?
...?

What's wrong with you? Are you losing your memory?

Volvo Ocean Race - 2001/2002:

"Eight teams, including an all-female team, set off from the Royal Yacht Squadron start line, on 23 September, 2001. The Whitbread had successfully been transformed into the Volvo Ocean Race and the 32,700 nautical mile race around the world started from the south coast of England and finished in style in Kiel, Germany".

Volvo Ocean Race Press Information » Blog Archive » History

One of the rule changes for the next edition:

"The crew limit for an all-male or mixed team remains at 11, including the Media Crew Member (MCM), but new this time is the requirement for three crew members to be born on or after 1 September 1980. A female team can, however, comprise a crew of 14 including the MCM, representing three additional crew members over an all-male crew. No additional crew members are permitted onboard for in-port racing, which this time will be held in each stopover port."
Volvo Ocean Race Press Information » Blog Archive » Volvo Open 70 Rule and Notice of Race Revealed

Regards

Paulo

imagine2frolic · #7 (**permalink**) 03-20-2010

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Okay - this thread is not intended to simply raise hackles. I actually would like to talk about this issue and hear from women on this...

Why are there no women skippers or crew in major non-singlehanding ocean races?

I'm a huge Sam Davies fan. She completely rocked the Vendee. I love that chick. So capability doesn't seem to be the issue. Right?

So, why no women in the VOR, etc.? Is it because of the extended legs on these trips (sex potential)? Or is it because women "can't pull their weight" (too "weak")?

Sam SINGLEHANDED an Open60 AROUND THE FREAKIN' WORLD!!!!

Really...what's the deal?

How long did it take women to vote

?

Do you love Sam for ability, or is it her looks

?

You come across as a fairly intelligent person most of the time, but get a grip. Most women see themselves as ladies, and to be kept. The ladies that come into the world where strength matters. These are few. Just take a look here at the forum. Put a % on that, and you will understand..

I appluad the women that do not let themselves be constrained, but they are few. I use to be on a sight for A/C Cobras. It was very right wing, and the fellas were falling all over Sarah Palin, because they thought she was hot. It had nothing to do with her capabilities, or lack of them. Don't let yourself become a cheerleader for women just because they are women. Become thier cheerleader, because they are capable!.........i2f

lapworth · #8 (**permalink**) 03-21-2010

Sorry i2f I love watching women play sports.

I had a list of things that I liked about how women play sports but it was sounding a little sexist.

imagine2frolic · #9 (**permalink**) 03-21-2010

Nothing wrong with watching a beautiful form moving. I am in agreement with you taking pleasure watching. This kind of attraction is normal, and keeps creation going...

.......i2f

PCP · #10 (**permalink**) 03-21-2010

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Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

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Do you love Sam for ability, or is it her looks

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I appluad the women that do not let themselves be constrained, but they are few. I use to be on a sight for A/C Cobras. It was very right wing, and the fellas were falling all over Sarah Palin, because they thought she was hot. It had nothing to do with her capabilities, or lack of them. Don't let yourself become a cheerleader for women just because they are women. Become thier cheerleader, because they are capable!.........i2f

I believe you don't know very well Sam or its sailing performance as a sail racer.

All right, she is good looking, but on the last Vendee Globe, the toughest sail race on the planet, against the 30 best solo sailors she finished in fourth place. All the guys that arrived in front had new boats, top of the art, made for that race. Her boat was an older one, from the previous generation.

The popularity and approval that she rightly deserves comes not from unknowledgeable people or from the women’s rights movement, but from the racing community and from sailors all round the world.

Sam Davies, Bio, Projets, Journal de Bord, Transat Jacques Vabre 2009, Vendée Globe 2012

She is not the only one. On the same race, Dee Caffari finished 6th. Some time before that she had made a solo nonstop circumnavigation the wrong way around, I mean, against the dominant winds, just for training (and believe me that’s even more difficult than a Vendee).

Aviva Ocean Racing Mobile

Both girls regularly team with the biggest names in duo ocean racing. They are invited neither for their looks, nor to be women, but because they are among the best sailors.

They are not the only ones; you have the most famous of them all, Ellen McArthur:

"In June 2000, MacArthur sailed the monohull Kingfisher from Plymouth, UK ,to Newport, Rhode Island, USA in 14 days, 23 hours, 11 minutes. This is the current record for a single-handed monohull east-to-west passage…
… Second place in the 2000-2001 edition of the Vendée Globe, with a time of 94 days, 4 hours and 25 minutes…
In 2005, MacArthur beat Francis Joyon's existing world record for a single-handed non-stop circumnavigation. MacArthur in the trimaran B&Q/Castorama sailed 27,354 nautical miles (50,660 km) at an average speed of 15.9 knots. Her time of 71 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes 33 seconds beat Joyon's then world record time by 1 day, 8 hours, 35 minutes and 49 seconds. Ellen had no more than 20 minutes' sleep at a time, having to be on constant lookout day and night." …

Ellen MacArthur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And there are the younger girls, among them I like particularly Jeanne Gregoire, Isabelle Joschke, Luce Molinier, Daniela Klein and Marine Feuerstein.

Luce Molinier : objectif Transats
Isabelle JOSCHKE
Daniela Klein
Marine Feuerstein

All these women have something in common, they are sailors, they race and in their class they are among the best, men and women all together.
But you are right, they are a lot less than men, but not worse, and their number is increasing every year.

Regards

Paulo