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Jeesh, and people wonder why racing is in decline. All I want to do is a few beer can races and participate in some 70-120 mile races and I don't want to spend a fortune to do it.

I guess I'll include the asym in the application and take what I get. I don't expect to be at the front of the pack, and may not get in to the club races anyway, but I really want to take on the challenge of the longer overnight races just for the experience.
Hmmmm... PHRF is about the cheapest rating certificate system going, so I don't really follow your thought about spinnaker vs NFS having anything to do with cost other than the sails themselves. Many clubs will give you a provisional rating at no cost if you're just doing their beer can races and you're a member. Around here, you can race beer cans Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays with no rating or entry fee.
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midlife, a lot varies at the discretion of your local RC. For major events and "strict" RCs they will require a PHRF certificate for your individual boat.

BUT MANY OF THEM DO NOT. If all you want to do is some casual sailing and you're not playing the in uptight young turk leagues, SPEAK TO THE RC. Honest, catch them before the boat goes out one night and speak to some of them. You may find that they will gladly assign you a number based on other boats that have been measured and certified, so you don't have to pay for your own certificate at all.

They pretty much have full discretion in everything they do--so speak to them. If you can't catch them before the races, buy one a drink at the bar afterwards. Working the RC boat is often a thankless chore, since they have to be the first ones out and last ones back, so a simple "THANK YOU RC" as you pass the finish line is always appreciated.

And if whatever group your racing with isn't your style? Ask around, there's usually an "old farts" series one night and a "high tension" series across the water on the next, you may want to try several to find the one that works for you.
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Midlife, go ahead and get the phrf cert with the spinnaker included in the comps. I used to get a bit upset when I lost to a roller furling boat on corrected. But that just made me try harder, and now I'm beating my sister ships that rate 6 seconds slower.

Definitely get the cert w/ the spin. Otherwise, in light air, it's flat out painful, and ungodly slow. Not to mention, pretty boring at the mark roundings.
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Working the RC boat is often a thankless chore...
RC boat isn't all bad. I spent last night grilling sausages, drinking brew and playing music in the company of three gorgeous, intelligent blondes.

I even got to fire the starting gun.
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Don't take this as fact because I'm far from an authority on these matters, but I was under the impression that you get two ratings when you fill out your application a "racing" rating which would include your spinnakers and a "cruising" rating that is used for non-spinnaker racing.
Nobody has any comments as to whether the above statement is correct?
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PHRFNE certs do give handicaps for both, dunno about elsewhere

Attached is a shot of the relevant bits from our last cert

You may also find this info handy:

PHRF New England - FAQ



Different places do things differently, but the general idea will be the same
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PHRF of the Chesapeake gives you a base rating and then adjustments thereafter. In my case, I have both AS and SYM and neither gain nor lose because of either. The rating just assumes that I have a spin. My take is that if I DON'T use the spin, I'm just hurting myself.

Personally, I'd fly one of the spins regardless of whether I was shorthanded or not. To be honest, I can fly the AS with two people on board and the SYM with 3 (2 if it's light air). So the bottom line is that I race with the spin. I have enough against me as it is!

Midlife - I hear you when it comes to doing the longer races on the Bay. We just did Gov Cup and for the 3rd year in a row, came in 3 places from last in our group. It may not seem it, but the boat keeps getting better w/ practice. I race just this one race a year with a pickup crew but we have fun. When mixing it up with the studs from Annapolis, expectations need to me managed We plan to do Down The Bay in the spring.

Get the rating w/spin and use the beast.
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We plan to do Down The Bay in the spring.
I'll see ya out there. Did that this year, but 15-20 on the nose really hurts a 25 footer.
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Different regions use varying schemes in regard to handicaps.
So.Cal PHRF gives a base rating with the assumtion that your
boat is in ready to race condition with a 155% Genoa and a
standard sized spinnaker. Rating penalties are applied to
modifications from the standard configuration.There may be
an adjustment different keel configurations, and area adjusments
for venues with lighter or stronger winds. A non-spinnaker offset
is also calculated on the certificate, generally about 18 sec/mi.,
which can be used for non spin or mixed fleets.
Clubs often use a set of semi-standardized credits for 'Cruising' classes,
which give time for headsail size, fixed props, roller furling, number
of BBQs lit, etc.
Racing your boat, even in informal cruising type races, can be
an eye opening and instructive experience. You will quickly learn
how much that fixed 3 blade, roller furling main, dinghy on davits
etc..., is effecting the performance of your boat.
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Racing your boat, even in informal cruising type races, can be
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You couldn't be more correct!! As an example, I've been sailing since I was 10 (42 years ago), taught sailing, raced collegiately, and offshore in summers. Switched to cruising in '87 and "been there, done that". Then 3 years ago, I decided to do the MD Gov Cup; I have a teen age daughter that didn't want to come to the boat without a horde of girlfriends and we stayed at the dock a LOT. I wanted to keep up my night skills and learn or relearn sail trim and tactics. How humbling putting myself against the Annapolis crowd. I have a really nice Sabre, thought that it was pretty quick, and that I was pretty savy. Ummmmm. No. This year, with Kattack tracking our every move, the post race analysis that I'm doing is eye-opening. Between my crew of go-fast racers and Kattack, I'm relearning sailing.

Racing truly hones sailing skills; you don't really know how fast your boat is or how effective you are as a sailor unless you match yourself against someone else.

zz4gta - I wanted to do Down-The-Bay this year and last, but work got in the way. No one cried too hard for me this year since I was working in Hawaii, at sea part of the time. Ultimately, I want to do Annapolis-Newport.
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