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There is no way to tell what is going on here. The story keeps changing. Which mark (pin or RC) are they approaching on what tack? B can hardly be timing his start if running parallel to the line for very long.
A could be late for lots of reasons and has full rights to start, however both are racing and those rules must be followed. B may not be aware that A is in a different fleet.
It is shame that two boats can screw around and perhaps spoil the racing for others. Both must be real novices!
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Originally Posted by tommays View Post
A good sportsman will live with the consequences of there mistakes and not involve others

Will you still agree with this on a light air day as you catch up to, but then are unable to pass the last Atlantic (the one with the foul bottom?) on the course, and your competitors in the J/24 fleet slip by the two of you?

I would be covering the other boats in my division and if i was in the above position i would have to live with the consequences of the POOR tactics involved in putting MYSELF there

It could be argued that the other skipper put himself in a poor position. I would say that he was the victim of an unfortunate wind shift. On a lake in Kansas, wind shifts happen without warning and are certainly unpredictable, especially on light air days. On this day the wind shifted about 50 degrees en-route from the windward mark to the reaching mark. The unfortunate skipper in an Ultima 20 found himself behind me when the wind shift occurred. The other boats in his fleet were already past me. He didn't ask me to pull over, I offered. Was it unfair to the other racers? I guess you could argue that, but in many other forms of racing slower competitors are REQUIRED to pull over for faster competitors, so that racers can RACE.

I don't know where you sail Tommays, but sailing in Kansas isn't like sailing on big water. There are certainly challenges that happen on big water that will never happen on a lake in KS, but we have our own set of challenges. Wind shifts when racing is one of them. We are accustomed to tacking or gybing every 10 minutes or less if the wind doesn't shift. On a "light and variable" day, we may be tacking every 2-3 minutes just to stay pointed at the mark. In fact, we started one race on port tack and never had to tack to the windward mark, but we were flying the spinnaker when we got there. It's a PITA but we all understand that getting caught behind a slower boat may not necessarily be the result of poor tactics. It could just be bad luck.

BTW the other racers in his fleet thought I was a nice guy for letting him by as well.

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