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Welcome. Not in English, but i can get you one in French

Seriously, they are very graphic and intuitive. Regarding the Spanish one, the main commands are the zoom (bottom right) the meteo (top right - on -off and then you have to choose the time: 6-12-18 or 24 h) and the cursor on the bottom on the middle. On that one you can pull the red arrow back and then, on the left click on the arrow and you can see the boats retracing the courses. You can adjust the speed on the left also.

http://tracking.barcelonaworldrace.org/

On the French one, the meteo (weather) is less visible but I find the classification, on the left bar more agreeable.

Jean le Cam - Président • Barcelona World Race 2011

The distances are measured in nautical miles.

The distances between the boats take into consideration the distance but also the wind forecast. For example, a boat can be nearer the final in distance but if it has ahead one or two days with weak winds can be behind another boat, that is further back (in distance) but has ahead one or two days with strong winds. I hope this confusing explanation makes some sense

Anyway, most of the fun of following the race is to try to find the better course to take advantage of the wind. The better course is almost never the shorter. Things become more interesting when there are several options.

For example, if you have a look at the forecast at 12-18-24 hours you are going to see that there are a big hole without wind around the Canary Islands. That's why they are all going west, to get stronger winds and avoid the anti-cyclone. But than there will be some that will prefer to go more west to get more wind and others that will prefer less wind and a shorter distance, or to try a passage nearer the coast of Africa where in 24 hours the wind will be more steady.

That's the game and also a way to learn how to navigate at a "decent" scale

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Hey Marty, I have some interesting news regarding Alex Thompson. I heard on an TV Eurosport reportage about the race that he can be back on the boat and exchange places with its substitute, the moment he fells recovered.

A find a bit, or a lot strange that they haven't said anything about it on the site, but that's what the guys have said. God knows that Hugo Boss needs Alex.

That explains also why the substitute is so bad. Probably a good one would not accept that deal, I mean, beginning the race, just to be substituted when things are getting interesting.

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I have not looked at the main site news, probably should. Then again, you probably see info sooner than me no matter how it is sliced. As I doubt too many NA folks are looking and watching this race. You probably get some info on the main news sources that I do not.

Just got home from work, about 6pm here, HB is still way behind. maybe they are going slow on purpose? hoping to get AT onboard before trying to get too far from shore? maybe in Portugal's south shore or east just out of the straight? Speculation on my part going with your report......

On another note, I get two tv programs from UK, Main Sail, and another..... typically on CNN europe? for main sail, and BBC for the other. Have you seen these shows local? May have to look on the recorded tv shows for the one I can not remember the name. Should record automatically next time it is on. MS is doing that.

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So how does one tell wind strength. Color for the main map is not working for me in comparison to what the scale says it should be. I see single arrow that is black or lighter, then blue with a single flag if you will to a double, then triple flags going to green.

The green triple flags to me says about 6-10'ish. But I am going on boat speeds in the 5-7 range, figuring the boats in these winds should be able to do 1-1.2knots boat speed to wind. Then again, it might be .8-1 knot b to w.

At least hugo at the moment is out of the med, doing 1knot VMG better than the rest of the fleet. so maybe with some wind, that crew will catch up, or the other fellow is back on, or the original #2 crew was steering.......oh the fun of guesing, swag'ing......

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On another note, I get two tv programs from UK, Main Sail, and another..... typically on CNN europe? for main sail, and BBC for the other. Have you seen these shows local? May have to look on the recorded tv shows for the one I can not remember the name. Should record automatically next time it is on. MS is doing that.
Not locally even if it was the Portuguese edition but on the main European Sports channel:

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They are not covering the race, like they are covering the Dakar (for instance) but they report on the news and other sports section.

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They are following it here, but till the moment only on the sailing news but I am sure that we will have a series about it.

They are turning South and for a change they say it all on the news:

"In fact things look pretty good especially for the two leaders. They can foresee some lighter breezes as they pass the Canaries well to the west of the island group, but for them the southbound autoroute to the doldrums, the tradewinds, is well established and they can look forward to some fast drag racing south.
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In fact having established that none of their immediate rivals were going to try the African coast routing, Dick and Peyron have protected the west quite aggressively, sailing an angle slightly lower to maximise speed and close across the track of Foncia for sure.

As they approach the front this morning the conditions will be less than pleasant 23-25 knots and building seas.

In fact for the group of five who are further back up the track to the N, it will be even more bumpy and breezy. They are closer to the low pressure system and so for the likes of President, Neutrogena and GAES they could see closer to 30 at times with a swell from the NW. Indeed for all of this group, and the leaders they may choose to ease back a little and preserve their boats a bit.
Estrella Damm, Alex Pella and Pepe Ribes, are the quickest in the fleet just now, but ironically the way the angles work, DTF favouring making ground south, they are computed to have lost miles to the boat in front, Mirabaud. But their target is maximum speed west now."


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Just got home from work, about 6pm here, HB is still way behind. maybe they are going slow on purpose? hoping to get AT onboard before trying to get too far from shore? maybe in Portugal's south shore or east just out of the straight? Speculation on my part going with your report......
No, the first place were they think Thompson can come to Hugo Boss is Cabo Verde. Finaly I have found good information about it:

"Today Alex Thomson was ready to take the next step towards joining his boat HUGO BOSS after a week of recovery in Barcelona, following his emergency appendectomy last week. He will be travelling home to the UK today to finish his recuperation, and begin his ‘race to the race’ all over again.

Alex underwent surgery just 48 hours before the 90 day round the world Barcelona World Race which began on the 31st December, without Alex onboard his boat HUGO BOSS. After discussion with the race organisation (FNOB), and with the majority backing of his fellow IMOCA skippers, it was ruled that HUGO BOSS would be allowed to start the race with the team’s substitute skipper, Wouter Verbraak, and Alex will be able to join the boat after he is declared medically fit to sail.

The Alex Thomson Racing Team convened in Barcelona to ensure that a plan to get Alex back on the boat was put in place. A recovery team consisting of his sports physio, nutritionist, physical trainer and sports psychologist is ready and waiting for him in the UK, tasked with getting him fit and well to begin the race. The whole process is being overseen by the team’s doctor, the renowned offshore racing medic Dr Spike Briggs from Medical Support Offshore (MSOS) in the UK, who are also medical advisors to the Volvo Ocean Race.


Alex said, “I am really pleased with my progress so far, I have had an operation but I feel very positive, I have had the best medical care possible here in Barcelona, and have a team back in the UK whom I know and trust and will give me every possible chance to be back in the race again”

The rule dictates that Alex must be medically assessed within 10 days of the race start, and the date and place at which he will join his boat HUGO BOSS will then be agreed with the race organisation together with the medical team.

Stewart Hosford, the ATR Team Director who announced the team’s plan of action said, “Alex now goes back to the UK where the recovery team are on standby, he is feeling stronger every day and we are very confident he will be able to join the boat. We will agree a plan with the race organisation and choose a location as soon as we can. The most obvious options will be the Cape Verdes or the Fernando de Noronha Islands off Brazil”

The race is now on for Alex to join his boat fit and healthy and ready to take on his second Barcelona World Race
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So how does one tell wind strength. Color for the main map is not working for me in comparison to what the scale says it should be. I see single arrow that is black or lighter, then blue with a single flag if you will to a double, then triple flags going to green.

The green triple flags to me says about 6-10'ish. But I am going on boat speeds in the 5-7 range, figuring the boats in these winds should be able to do 1-1.2knots boat speed to wind. Then again, it might be .8-1 knot b to w.

At least hugo at the moment is out of the med, doing 1knot VMG better than the rest of the fleet. so maybe with some wind, that crew will catch up, or the other fellow is back on, or the original #2 crew was steering.......oh the fun of guesing, swag'ing......

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Marty,

They should be stressed out on that boat I guess that with medium to strong winds the boat speed potential (that is big) will make them faster than the older boats they have ahead, even if they have shown that they didn't deserve that boat.

About the colors I have no idea. They are just wrong and the arrows right (main arrow for direction, lateral sticks for strength , one 10k, two 20K and so on, half a stick 5K).

It seems that Hermitcrab is right, this one : Jean le Cam - Président • Barcelona World Race 2011
is better. More accurate and has weather forecast for 60 hours while the other has only for 24 hours.

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Thanks for updates. Will check out the other map link to see how much better etc. The actual language, ie spanish vs french really does not matter too much to me, since I can not read much of either! just hit buttons, see what shows or does not! oh such fun! hope I do not click into a virus or equal lololol

Now I understand the wind arrows. makes more sense now.

Here is a link to the CNN main sail show. Produced as a monthly TV magazine if you will.
Show Pages - MainSail - CNN.com

I'll see what I can do to find the other one, may take a bit until I see another show on BBC.

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Hey guys,

IMO, Hauwell Studios produce the only really good tracker for ocean races. The one on the BWR site is actually the second best I've seen, but a distant second.

Looks like the leaders may fall into a wind hole and allow the back markers to catch up a little as the new wind may fill from north to south. From the website, it seems everyone is having more fun now. Light air is the hardest, physically and mentally.

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edit: Look at President go! Up to 5th!

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Yes, Le Cam is overtaking slower boats, but he should be closer to the leaders. He just messed up on the first part of the race.

The ones that are surprising me are Alex/Ribes, the first Spanish on Estrella Damm. They have a recent boat (2007) but they are closing on the first two and that is amazing knowing who they are . Le professeur (Desjoineaux) is also closing on Dick. He have a race

Dick and Desjoineaux are going out of the weak wind and are going to speed away. The one that is on the best position to follow is Alex. That's why he is 3th notwithstanding the wavre boat (4th) being closer to the leaders. Great race for the Wavre family too (on an older boat).

http://tracking.barcelonaworldrace.org/

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