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post #71 of 89 Old 06-10-2013
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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

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Not to step on any toes. But! If I'm going to crew in a race I feel that the Capt. should be kicking in the beer and sandwiches. I wouldn't have someone helping me paint my house supply their own beer and lunch. Just sayin.
Well you're completely wrong.

Painting a house is a "chore" or a "job" that few people would feel is a pleasant or entertaining pastime, and I agree that food and beverage should be provided.

Crewing a sailboat, whether for racing or pleasure, is a recreational pastime, even if physical exertion is involved. The skipper is providing you with a day on the water, on his boat, at his expense. You should provide your own personal equipment, and be prepared to contribute a snack and beverage at his discretion, or at least a snack and beverage for your own personal consumption. Some skippers will provide food and beverage, but by no means should it be expected.

"Crew protocol" is an unwritten set of rules and varies somewhat from boat to boat, but it never ceases to stun me that some people think that not only should I provide the boat, the certifications, the entry fees, field the maintenance costs and the fuel, but that I should also provide:

Gloves
Auto-inflating PFD's
Foulies
Entire meals complete with snacks
Water
Alcoholic beverages
Ice

So exactly what are you, the crew providing? Ah yes...labor.
Crew is what makes the boat go, right? Can't win a race without crew!

Oh...you mean the crew that I have to constantly plead with to hike, to trim, to pay attention to their jobs?

"Guys, I need more weight on the rail, could you all move to the high side please?"
"Traveler down please, we're heeled way too much, and slowing down."
"I'm sorry, could you please set your beer aside and snug the vang down?"
"Hey, sorry to interrupt your story, but the jib is flogging and the inner tells are luffing straight up. Could you trim it in please?"


These same people complain that their standing in their class never improves as the series progresses. They can't be bothered to come practice twice a month, or pay attention to their jobs during a race, or even make dock call on time.

It must be my fault.
"This skipper is clueless."
"He should buy new sails."
"He should haul the boat and fair the bottom again."
"Man, this boat is dirty, look at all the empty cans."


Brent, people like you are why I singlehand. Get a clue, mate.

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

In all of the various skipper training courses available today, I don't think skippers are taught enough about how to relate to their crews.

In my very first race series, in Sabots, a very, very long time ago (yikes!), I chucked my crew overboard within sight of the finish line and let him swim home. I learnt a valuable lesson that day and have never had a crew problem since..

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

I'll chime in again.

The answer is, it depends.

If the boat is an old racer cruiser with old sails, family crew, and beers in hand during racing, then NO. The owner probably shouldn't care to much about winning either.

If it's a grand prix boat with a GP budget, paid pro on board and doing expensive away regattas, then yes. Heck even the the average boats on the bay do that. I do that with my 25 footer. But then again, I expect people to do their best, show up on time, and get better each time out.

The trick is to match up the crews expectations with the skippers expectations. When those align, the boat does very well.
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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

This thread reminds me of just one more reason why I don't get involved in racing.

It's like watching a bunch of losers sitting at dinner staring at the check waiting for someone else to pick it up.

Most people I hang with try to reach for the check first and then we fight over it.

You guys really worry about a sandwich and a can of beer? lol )

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

Enjoying the proceeds from winning the first two Beer Cans of the season. The Skipper saves money by putting together a good crew and does not have to buy beer for a few weeks now, we take turns bringing the rum rations for each post race celebration.
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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

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This thread reminds me of just one more reason why I don't get involved in racing.

It's like watching a bunch of losers sitting at dinner staring at the check waiting for someone else to pick it up.

Most people I hang with try to reach for the check first and then we fight over it.

You guys really worry about a sandwich and a can of beer? lol )
But you still go out to dinner with people, though, right? Why would the drama on other boats cause you to not want to race?
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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

Sorry...I'm late to this thread so I just read this from awhile back...

[QUOTE=bljones;900654]It's not a matter of who is right, it is a matter of peace in the household. Now, you can fold, and alienate a whole crew to satisfy one wife, and start sliding down the slippery slope of the henpeck highway, or you can create peace through Mutually Assured Destruction:
Tell her you just realized how many pairs of shoes she has in her closet, and offer to stop buying sustenance for the crew if she will stop buying shoes.

Who's this bljones guy? He's a genius!
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But you still go out to dinner with people, though, right? Why would the drama on other boats cause you to not want to race?
I was half joking And let me preface this rant by saying that I know some racers to be decent. Most of them are boat owners or friends of boat owners.

The rest are Wed. night lounge lizards who show up wearing their racing kit with three bud lights in a fanny cooler looking for a free ride.

They raft up to you without asking with nothing but half an old fender hanging so they can pick up the lounge lizard who is invariably late, leave trash everywhere, dirty up the marina restrooms (as if they could get any dirtier), double park and block people in, borrow things without asking, in their haste to "help the owner" so they can get the hell out of their ASAP they throw other peoples inflatables around or worse, drag them across pavement, yell at each other, and now apparently they fight over who must pay for a can of beer.

I almost choked to death laughing one Wed. night when my girlfriend punched one douchebag in the face for slapping her ass as she walked by. I would have finished him off but he ran away and pretty fast for a fat guy with a porn star mustache. Granted he was more afraid of her than me. It all started because he was riding us because we didn't race my boat and she finally got sick of it and told him to please shut the ^&%# up. Funny...30 racers standing around and not one of them says a word to him. Even funnier that this guy didn't own a boat.

Maybe they don't understand how much they are held in contempt by people who simply enjoy sailing and maintaining their boat all while respecting other peoples property. I watch these race boat owners doing all the hard labor in the spring and fall. There is no crew to help. The crew shows up when the weather gets nice and thinks it's funny as heck to sail "OPB" and contribute little or nothing except some self perceived special skill they have.

Yes they will even brag about how much smarter they are than someone dumb enough to buy a boat and take them for a free ride. They probably sleep on OPC (other peoples couches) as well.

Maybe because when they are done making a mess they speed out of the marina as fast as they can leaving nothing but dust, fast food trash, empty cans and clogged toilets in their wake.


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Who's this bljones guy? He's a genius!
Dude, you owe an untold number of Sailnetters new keyboards, cuz a whole assload of beverages got spewed just now.


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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

Here's the bottom line...

Do you like winning? Are you willing to pay a little bit for that? Do you want to have your pick of the very best crew available? Well then, keep paying for the beer. Everyone will know that you do that, and all the very best crew will have no problem deciding who they want to sail with--YOU!

Stop paying for the beer, and instead of getting your pick of the very best available, you'll just get whoever decides that maybe they like sailing with you, or whoever no one else has picked.

It's a pretty simple equation, when you get down to it.
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