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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

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Here's the bottom line...

Do you like winning? Are you willing to pay a little bit for that? Do you want to have your pick of the very best crew available? Well then, keep paying for the beer. Everyone will know that you do that, and all the very best crew will have no problem deciding who they want to sail with--YOU!

Stop paying for the beer, and instead of getting your pick of the very best available, you'll just get whoever decides that maybe they like sailing with you, or whoever no one else has picked.

It's a pretty simple equation, when you get down to it.
Seriously. Running a competitive and successful racing boat is one of the most expensive and stupidest endeavors one can ever embark upon. After the huge boat payment, the constant sail purchases, the keel fairing, the bottom cleaning, the yacht club fees, the entry fees, the missed time from (a presumably very high paying job) for away races, the repairs required from riding all of your **** way too hard all the time, booze for the crew is barely a blip on the radar.

Crew is easy to find, good crew isn't, and crewing on a competitive race boat requires a level of discipline that moves past recreation into the level of work. If you're not going to pay the crew, the least you can do is to buy their booze. If you really want the rock stars, you might also want to look the other way when the bowman is getting fresh with your daughter.
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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

Obanarama,

Your wife is right, and waaaaay cuter than you too, no seriously

If you sailing with me, you bring the beer and snacks, I paid for the boat and the maintenance.

We are a BYOB boat. However, we are also brewers, so we ALWAYS bring extra beer for people to drink, unless its a really long sail!

Racing, hey, if we win (which we did once) I'll buy you a beer at the bar.

Come sail with us again! Friday night beer cans in Berkeley with a spinnaker!

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

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We casually buoy race. I provide drinks (including good beer) and light supper. It doesn't cost much, and I am happy to host. Sometimes the extra beer goes to Blt2ski's crew. They seem to go through it a bit faster than we do..
I will swag us beggars can not be choosers eh!

now if this here boat owner would put himself back in his correct slip, ie across from us.....vs before us.......altho we did pickup a 6 pack or two from in front of slip E8 or there abouts the other day.....hope that skipper was not to unhappy to be missing said 6 pack or two!

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

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Here's the bottom line...

Do you like winning? Are you willing to pay a little bit for that? Do you want to have your pick of the very best crew available? Well then, keep paying for the beer. Everyone will know that you do that, and all the very best crew will have no problem deciding who they want to sail with--YOU!

Stop paying for the beer, and instead of getting your pick of the very best available, you'll just get whoever decides that maybe they like sailing with you, or whoever no one else has picked.

It's a pretty simple equation, when you get down to it.
What a load of crap.

I've supplied food, booze and personal gear, and got less-than-mediocre crew in return.

I've raced on other boats who provided everything, and got the same underwhelming performance.

I've raced on BYOB boats, where the crew was outstanding, and made it to the podium most of the time.

I've seen crew willingly race with screaming a$$holes, simply because the guy had a fast boat, and half a clue which end of the boat should cross the finish line first.

There are so many other factors in play besides providing food and drink. One of the biggest factors, is simply whether or not the boat is fast, or winning. People want to be winners, so they ally themselves with a winner boat, whether the guy is a jerk, provides comforts or not.

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

On the two boats I raced on crew and captain would roughly take turns buying beer. there were no snacks and certainly no sandwiches. That would be really cool though I actually was not a big fan of the skipper I raced with so no longer do.
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You need to sail in longer races.
He said tuesday night races did he not. Longer races I have seen several crew making a dish and the skipper providing the rest of the food. No beer drinking being done during the race, although I sneek in a bottle of rum for good luck. Crew usually pitches in a couple hundred bucks a pop.
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He said tuesday night races did he not. Longer races I have seen several crew making a dish and the skipper providing the rest of the food. No beer drinking being done during the race, although I sneek in a bottle of rum for good luck. Crew usually pitches in a couple hundred bucks a pop.
Your post made me remember a very light air race a few years ago. We were chasing a boat a hundred feet ahead of us and gaining inches. All of a sudden their sails came down, the engine fired up, and they turned around headed for home. On their way past us they shouted "we ran out of beer." DNF *grin*

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Re: Who pays for the food and beer?

Check with your insurance company. I have learned that others contributing to the costs of using your boat, then it turns it into a charter situation. I know, everybody does it and none of my crew would ever sue me, but, you never know.
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