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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

Yes, lets bow down to the all powerful LEOs who couldn't possibly be aware of their surroundings and the situation of being in the MIDDLE of a frickin' ongoing race. Their job is not to escalate a situation or create a hazard. Yet, they managed to do both. Another example of a brain dead captain with authority. Also, please show me the sailboat that can outmaneuver/outrun the LEO's craft.
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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

It's predictable that those with a chip on their shoulder are the most likely to cause and/or stumble into their own anticipated confrontation.
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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

At five to six knots this situation had to develop slowly. Maybe a call on the VHF to alert the LEO that he was parked in the middle of an ongoing race?

And maybe once the sailboat was stopped and the situation explained the LEO could have chosen "protect and serve" over "harass and ticket"?

The sailor could have taken steps to mitigate the situation. Especially knowing that they're dealing with a law enforcement culture in that area whose behavior has attracted criticism from the press and a US Senator.

And I would absolutely fight that ticket.

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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

I am with those who suggested a call on channel 16 vhf to the police boat to warn him your intended course would be close to him if he remained near the navigation buoy.

I am sure that the olympic trials are very cutthroat and every millisecond counts. This was not the olympics but a Sunday around the cans race. Likelyhood of losing 1 more Sardine dish prize is not much.

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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

Caled, you guys sail mostly in Rockland co. waters. If I were the capt. of the sailboat I were make sure I was in his jurisdiction (Westchester co.) , just saying. you should have Lat/Lon on your marks.


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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

It sounds like the race was using a regular ATON as a race mark? If so, perhaps LE legitimately did not realize a race was in progress. I originally thought that the marks were regular racing marks (not ATONs) and would clearly indicate a sail race but in re-reading, perhaps the sailboat doesn't have as good an argument against the citation.

Just a thought.
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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

We do have club maintained racing buoys out in the river BUT we also use the ATON (thanks for that donna) Red #8 (& #10) channel marker as one of the potential marks. Red #8 is closer to the Westchester side near Tarrytown, which is where the sailboat was stopped & boarded.

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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

OK, I was not gonna reply to this thread again, but here I go....

Racers tend to bear down on other people, getting all to close and leaving one to wonder if it's not time for radical evasive action. Racers expect right-of-way just because they are racing.

Racing means nothing to those who are not in the race. Often non-racers show them courtesy just because. Most of the time they get more than they deserve and give little to nothing in return when it comes to courtesy.

Speak up if you haven't heard the "HEY! WE ARE RACING YA KNOW!" line from someone expecting you to move out of their way just because.

Speak up if you haven't shown some racers courtesy by letting them all pass or taking the long way around even though you have right of way only to get dirty looks from them for messing up their air.

(insert cricket sounds here)

I know, it's not all of them, but the very loud minority make a lot of noise.
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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

Vocabulary is important. COLREGS aren't relevant. Inland Rules are.
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Re: dnf because of county police boat?

We used to invite them to the Night Before party to go over course and safety, but mostly to gain their trust and cooperation.

Once they realize how serious many racers are, and their level of skill, they are more likely to be a help. They will show up for a free dinner, and might even learn a little about sailboats, as they often know absolutely nothing about them.



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