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hydrodog 06-24-2013 10:29 PM

distance between frames ....
 
anyone in the know .... know of the recommended distance between frames that should be used when using 1/4 inch 5086 plate. 60 foot blue water boat///////???

deniseO30 06-24-2013 10:34 PM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Frames?? don't need no stinking frames LOL
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hydrodog 06-25-2013 01:39 AM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
This is what happens when you ask for knowledge .... wise ass disrespect...
How many ships and boat are built with frames ... how many have no frames .... what percentage of frameless boats have failed ... now how about the framed boats????
I am still look for an answer ..... if no one has this knowledge I'll hit the naval arc books ....

deniseO30 06-25-2013 08:23 AM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Sorry your so new and humorless! It's too broad a question with too many variables. 60 ft boat? Power sail? Shoal draft? Keel design? are just a few question. Get in touch with some steel boat designers. Brent Swain is on this forum go see if you can consult or insult him about his frame- less building methods.

See how many smart ass answers you get here --> MetalBoatbuilding.org ? Index page

http://www.metalboatbuilding.org/php...ic.php?f=8&t=5

"You don't know that what you ask, yet don't like the answers"

bobperry 06-25-2013 09:01 AM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Are there longitudinals?
How big are the frames?
Why not check with the ABS scantlings or LLoyds?
Hasn't your designer specified scantlings?
If you are going to ask for build details here for your boat I'd suggest a very good PFD.

hydrodog 06-26-2013 12:13 AM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Thanks for the replies

Brent Swain 06-26-2013 08:27 PM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hydrodog (Post 1049192)
This is what happens when you ask for knowledge .... wise ass disrespect...
How many ships and boat are built with frames ... how many have no frames .... what percentage of frameless boats have failed ... now how about the framed boats????
I am still look for an answer ..... if no one has this knowledge I'll hit the naval arc books ....

Roughly 200 of my boats have been built without frames. None has ever failed at sea. They have survived everything from 16 days pounding in 8 to 12 ft seas on the west coast of Baja and being pulled off thru such surf ,lifted and dropped 12 feet onto hard sand every wave for 1/4 mile with no damage, pounding across 300 yards of Fijian coral reef in big surf and pulled off thru it in big surf, again with no visible dammage except the paint job gone, a single season passage thru the NW passage, again with zero damage.
60 feet is definitely the upper limit for frameless, successful frameless 57 footers have been built here, but longitudinals are far more effective than transverse frames in a hard chine hull. Do a seach under origamiboats and pick the first one( yahoo groups ) for more info.

bobperry 06-26-2013 11:27 PM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Jumpin Jehoshaphat, some one is angry.

200? really That many? Wow. That's semi almost impressive.

They built 600 Islander 28's. And it still is a sought after boat.

530 Islander Freeporrt 36's
600 Tayana 37's
600
600
600

Need I go on?


And,,, ta dahhhhh,,,,, They are damn good looking boats.

SloopJonB 06-27-2013 12:09 AM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hydrodog (Post 1049192)
This is what happens when you ask for knowledge .... wise ass disrespect...
How many ships and boat are built with frames ... how many have no frames .... what percentage of frameless boats have failed ... now how about the framed boats????
I am still look for an answer ..... if no one has this knowledge I'll hit the naval arc books ....

Don't get snotty with Denise. You basically asked "how long is a piece of string".

If you're asking a question that basic on the web, I'd recommend you hire a yacht designer - assuming you're planning on building a boat.

deniseO30 06-27-2013 05:47 PM

Re: distance between frames ....
 
Oh.. SJB.. Chivalry is not dead!


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