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Bob....you job is to bring other peoples fantasies in the form of your creations, in some cases people don't know what their fantasies are and/or their fantasies are unreachable, so you have to help a bit.
For me a reachable fantasy is one that has the style and grace that best suits me with out giving up performance...it has the affect of a "sleeper", looks old so must be slow....oops well I guess it's not.
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I am convinced that you and I share no common vocabulary with which we can discuss performance and the specific elements of yacht design.

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I meant that as a complement, for a long time your designs have helped people to realize their dreams...their fantasies.
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I meant that as a complement, for a long time your designs have helped people to realize their dreams...their fantasies.
Yes, and through the years faster and better boats. Not that their first ones were not great (they were) but it would have been a shame if he did not have learned nothing through the years. What makes him great is that in fact he had done so and still does.

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Mr. Wolf:
I understand that but I feel a distinct disconnect in our effort to communicate on things pertaining to yacht design and yacht performance. There is a fantasy side to it that I applaud and encourage. I tell my clients, "Have fun. We are not looking for comfortable shoes." But this is my life's work and I do not have the luxury of staying in fantasy land. I have the responsibility to give my clients a boat that is better in every way than their previous boat. I therefore must be always moving forward and adjusting the performance target beyond what was acceptable even ten years ago let alone 30 years ago. The boat currently being built at Pacific Seacraft in NC will cost around two million dollars. With a project like that I have no option but to be "real" and the word "compromise" be damned.

My own ability to assess the performance of boats by an acceptable current standard is sharply honed and must stay flexible because performance is a moving target.
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Nice looking hull! Is that going to be part of the Pacific Seacraft line or is it a custom design being built there?

I'm a big fan of your designs and dream of having you design my next boat. Who knows...?

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I understand that but I feel a distinct disconnect in our effort to communicate on things pertaining to yacht design and yacht performance. There is a fantasy side to it that I applaud and encourage. I tell my clients, "Have fun. We are not looking for comfortable shoes." But this is my life's work and I do not have the luxury of staying in fantasy land. I have the responsibility to give my clients a boat that is better in every way than their previous boat. I therefore must be always moving forward and adjusting the performance target beyond what was acceptable even ten years ago let alone 30 years ago. The boat currently being built at Pacific Seacraft in NC will cost around two million dollars. With a project like that I have no option but to be "real" and the word "compromise" be damned.

My own ability to assess the performance of boats by an acceptable current standard is sharply honed and must stay flexible because performance is a moving target.
To some the fantasy is the cutting edge design and high tech performance with the equally high tech gadgets and gizmos as well as all the gear to squeeze every ounce of speed out of the boat and to some the fantasy it the grace and simplicity of an older design boat, designed to take as little work as possible.
As far as "fantasy land".....if you stay on land then everything remains a fantasy, it is when you get on the water your own personal fantasy, no matter what is is, becomes reality.
I find it refreshing talking with you, rather than the people who not only think their way is the only way but are totally clueless about what they are talking about.
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Thanks for being a fan. That makes three. You and my two dogs.

We built a female mold for the 60' ketch. The plan is to build the first one as a one off then hope that we will attract some other buyers once they see the genius behind the design. ( hope, hope) The client for the forst boat is in Annaplis. I will travel to NC next week to check out the work on the interior mock up and see the hull first hand.
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Re: Modern Hull forms and Motion Comfort

Man, that is one serious voyager. I really like that sort of "Thunderhead" cockpit.

I'm currently re-reading your book and just finished the chapter where you discuss how you really don't like winged keels much. I guess the owner just couldn't live with 16' or 18' of draft.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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You got it. It is a THUNDERHEAD aft cockpit but mine has access to the aft cabin and as I recall did not.

My problem with most cruisng boat wing keels is that you can't fix a low aspect ratio stubby keel with low aspect ratio stubby wings. For efficient foils on a sailing vessel you need high aspect ratio foils. There is no substitute for draft. On the PSC 60'er we ran numerous VPP runs to evaluate the benefits of various drafts before deciding on the final keel. I did not guess.

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