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As said the Passport, Valiant (Perry design boats), Island Packet 40 and Caliber have had the Pullman berths forever. Caliber 40 and Island Packet 40 also have the head front of the Pullman berth.
I agree with Jeff and others about the advantages and disadvantages of a Pullman berth. Getting up in the middle of the night and having to climb over the other person is a pain. However, If done seductively,,, who knows what could happen! Maybe coping a free feel along the way! If one is on anchor watch or has a weak bladder they can sleep on the outside. There is always a solution of sorts for most disadvantage problems on boats. Maybe not the best but a solution nevertheless.

Forward head. On the Caliber 40 boats it makes the master suite like the Ritz for a small sailboat when at anchor, dock or mooring ball (90%) of the time. When at sea, it is a great place to store things, especially in the enclosed shower. There is never enough storage on a sailboat. The other great advantage is storing wet sails, like spinnaker, code zero ,A-sails or staysail and not get the V-berth wet or any other areas where water and materials are not wanted. If you accidentally leave the forward hatch open, no real big deal as the water goes into the bathroom and gets pumped out. No damage.

As far a sea berths, non issue on most boats with Pullman configurations. Most sailors use the settee's with lee-cloths or the small aft cabin for which the designers make so communications between the person on watch can easily communicate with the sleeping person when the occasion arises.
As far as the second head, Passport, Valiant and Calibers all have a head aft.
Island Packet 37/38 designs are unique in their designs of the forward berth. There is a odd shape queen size bed that can be gotten in and out of on each side. One I favor a lot over a V-berth.
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Let's face it, unless it's dead-calm, using a head underway is rarely comfortable, whether it's forward or aft. In my experience, the HC33's forward head is actually better ventilated than most heads further aft in the cabin. The HC33 has an overhead hatch and a port for ventilation/light in the head.

Many sailors I know use the settees in the main cabin with leecloths as seaberths. Additionally, most pullmans can also be fitted with leecloths. As for disturbing your mate when entering/exiting a pullman berth, well, I find that v-berths on boats under 40' aren't easy to get in and out of without disturbing your mate either.

Obviously, every boat is a compromise and we each have our own tastes. But the HC33 and other boats with pullmans are very appealing to me because of the use of cabin space and the roomy, comfortable bed.
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Can someone explain why the head forward with a pullman berth behind is appealing. Maybe its me, but I have never understood the appeal of a pullman berth or having the head all the way in the bow. Underway, there is too much motion to make using the forward head comfortable, and the pullman berth is only a seaberth on one tack.
Jeff, I think that's pretty much the reason, so that you can use it as a berth at sea. Like you said, motion is crazy up forward, especially when you are beating into the wind, so it's nearly impossible to use the forward v-berth to sleep when making passages like that. But with the berth further back you can use lee cloths and such to actually have a berth underway. The difference between being uncomfortable for a few minutes while you relieve yourself or being uncomfortable for hours while you try to sleep. I agree though with a forward head you might need to install seat belts lol.
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Island Packet 37/38 designs are unique in their designs of the forward berth. There is a odd shape queen size bed that can be gotten in and out of on each side. One I favor a lot over a V-berth.
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Melissa,

I like your creative suggestions for dealing with the pullman berth.

As an aside, the partial walk-around, island style v-berth is not unique to IP. That feature is offered by a quite a few builders -- Catalina (42,etc), Pacific Seacraft (Crealock 40) among them, many others too.

I often wonder which way your feet go in those bunks -- forward like a conventional v-berth, or aft with head and shoulders forward?
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The best part is that you have really utilized you space with a pullman. Rarely would I used the head in the bow underway. Most pullmans allow huge drawer space and hanging lockers on the opposite site, where in a regular profuction style V berth the head is there. Most boats like the Saga 43 you would sleep in the queen aft cabin.
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The pullman berth feels more open to me, more like a small bedroom. I agree with the assessment that underway a forward head might be hard to use, but it does utilize a funny shape quite well. I believe the Islander 36 had a pullman berth. The Pearson 424 has a pullman and a head with a dedicated shower.
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Just saw this thread.
I sailed on Beneteau 393 with a Pullman berth forward and I liked it a lot:
- forward head is very comfortable and usable on both tacks. In Adria there is no issue with large waves.
- I like the large drawers below the berth. Easy access and a lot of space.
- About checking the anchor: Let us admit that one person does it most of the time. This defines who sleeps where. And climbing from traditional V berth guarantees to wake the other person. Here you just leave.
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I had a Taswell 44AS with a pullman forward, 4 large drawers underneath, a nicework station and a large hanging locker. The head was near the forpeak with a large storage locker forward. The only problem was tha you needed a seat belt to use the head in a sea way.
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Saga 43 is a great expample of Pullman also. One advanatage is sleeping further after than in a V berth is less motion at anchor. Most boats with them have a second head which is the primary one while the V head is mainly for anchor. There also seems to be more hanging locker space with pullmans as the bulkhead opposite the bed is usually long and has plenty of run for a hanging locker, where in a traditional V berth this are is usually not much great than the length of the "V". The pullman gives an appearenceof being more wid eupone with more headroom than the V also.
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My Truant 33 has a pullman forward. It is a nice arrangement for coastal cruising but probably not very good for offshore. It allows for standing room beside it to get changed, a hanging locker and some nice drawers underneath it. I am 6'6" tall and the bunk works well for my wife and me. Ventilation is not a problem with an overhead hatch and an opening portlight. It does have a lee cloth so it would be useful on both tacks at sea but I think we would likely sleep farther aft if we sailed overnight.
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