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kwaltersmi 12-11-2007 10:43 PM

Pullman Berths
 
One of my all-time favorite boats (or at least my dream boat) is a Hans Christian 33. One of my favorite characteristics of the HC33 is the cabin layout with the head/shower all the way forward with a double Pullman berth just behind to port and a hanging locker just behind to starboard.

What other modestly sized (less than 40') production boats have Pullman berths or an alternative cabin layout to the standard forward v-berth? IIRC, the Formosa 41 also has a forward Pullman, but it's over 40'. Any others?

Faster 12-11-2007 10:51 PM

The Catalina 42 original layout was similar (sorry, over 40); I believe one of the Passport 40 layouts have a head forward/pullman, and the Nonsuch Ultra 30 (and perhaps the larger versions) have similar doubles too.

It is an attractive option, except for trying to use the head underway; it's at a maximum motion part of the boat.

But the pullman berth nicely gets away from the toe wars in a typical Vberth (esp the newer boats where the interiors are so pushed out to the edges that often the V berth cushions literally come to a point) and they are easier to get into/out of.

killarney_sailor 12-11-2007 11:17 PM

two Hinterhoeller boats
 
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Originally Posted by kwaltersmi (Post 236075)
One of my all-time favorite boats (or at least my dream boat) is a Hans Christian 33. One of my favorite characteristics of the HC33 is the cabin layout with the head/shower all the way forward with a double Pullman berth just behind to port and a hanging locker just behind to starboard.

What other modestly sized (less than 40') production boats have Pullman berths or an alternative cabin layout to the standard forward v-berth? IIRC, the Formosa 41 also has a forward Pullman, but it's over 40'. Any others?

The Niagara 35 Encore and the Nonsuch 30 Ultra both have pullmans.

Melrna 12-11-2007 11:37 PM

Caliber and Valiants both have pullman berths.

sailingdog 12-11-2007 11:39 PM

But do Caliber and Valiant make anything shorter than 40' :)

CapnHand 12-11-2007 11:48 PM

Our Ticon 30 has bunks in the V berth.

http://www.sailnet.com/photogallery/...08/v_berth.jpg

Lion35 12-12-2007 12:16 AM

I've always like the layout as well. The Passport 40 came with a pullman as an option.

Jeff_H 12-12-2007 09:29 AM

Can someone explain why the head forward with a pullman berth behind is appealing. Maybe its me, but I have never understood the appeal of a pullman berth or having the head all the way in the bow. Underway, there is too much motion to make using the forward head comfortable, and the pullman berth is only a seaberth on one tack. At anchor its hard to get ventilation and headroom in a forward head and one person can't climb into or out of the bunk without having the other person have to move.

Respectfully,
Jeff

JohnRPollard 12-12-2007 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff_H (Post 236175)
Can someone explain why the head forward with a pullman berth behind is appealing. Maybe its me, but I have never understood the appeal of a pullman berth or having the head all the way in the bow. Underway, there is too much motion to make using the forward head comfortable, and the pullman berth is only a seaberth on one tack. At anchor its hard to get ventilation and headroom in a forward head and one person can't have to climb into or out of the bunk without having the other person have to move.

Respectfully,
Jeff

Jeff,

You raise some good points. I've been contemplating this a bit lately, since some of the larger boats we are considering have pullman berths. Previously I have not been a huge proponent of pullman arrangements, but my thinking has recently evolved somewhat.

In my mind, a pullman cabin with forward head in the bows begins to make sense when the boat is large enough to have a second aft day head. The forward "ensuite" head in the bows, properly designed, can offer a bit more privacey and a separate shower stall, which are desriable features. While underway, the aft day head can be used and as a bonus offers a wet-locker for foulies.

You're right about the difficulty for two people using the pullman berth -- the person outboard needs to have the larger bladder for sure. But it's still a much better bunk than many other bunk arrangements. At least the inboard person has incredibly easy in/out access, and the outboard person will too once the inboard person shifts out of the way. Not to mention the great headroom and airy feeling. The same cannot be said for most double quarter berths, many aft centerline or athwartship berths, or for that matter many v-berths.

I also feel a pullman berth can be fitted with a leecloth or board to make it a more useful bunk underway on either tack, but to me the appeal of the pullman is primarily at anchor. (Underway, the best seabunks are those positioned midships or further aft that run parrallel to the fore and aft axis so your head and feet don't end up elevated higher than the other depending on which tack you're on.)

And, as someone who sails with a boat load of children, I see the pullman berth as sort of a play pen where kids can evacuate the mainsalon to play board games, cards, read etc, and still have some headroom. So, different boats for different folks, I suppose.


Kwalt,

In my experience the pullman berth is much less common than the standard v-berth. I think the HC33 is a rarity in that size range. You might also take a look at Bob Perry's nice Saga 35 -- I think the pullman berth was optional on them. The pullman was defintiely available (standard, I think) on the Saga 43, with a v-berth option.

Cruisingdad 12-12-2007 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff_H (Post 236175)
Can someone explain why the head forward with a pullman berth behind is appealing. Maybe its me, but I have never understood the appeal of a pullman berth or having the head all the way in the bow. Underway, there is too much motion to make using the forward head comfortable, and the pullman berth is only a seaberth on one tack. At anchor its hard to get ventilation and headroom in a forward head and one person can't have to climb into or out of the bunk without having the other person have to move.

Respectfully,
Jeff

I have been saying that for years. I totally agree. I do not feel it is the best arrangement for LA. Weekending, etc... ok. Just my opinion, but when cruising or LA you may get up several times a night to check the anchor... disturbing your spouse. The nice thing is the room it opens up for the cabin, but some of the practicalities are tough to live with.

- CD


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