Catamaran Hull Speed

[sctpc]

Yes but what would the optimal height formula be I have been reading for over 4 hours since I read this post and lots of designers mention it but is there a rule to it, 'deck should be 2 foot making cabin 9 foot for a 30 foot cat or deck 4 foot cabin roof 10 foot for a 50 foot cat.

I find it interesting that all the other design stuff is quite well out explained but none on windage problems ect.

[sailingdog]

there isn't a basic rule for bridge deck clearance and cabin height. Some designers avoid the problem entirely by not using the bridgedeck form living accommodations. Wharram's design often don't have any living space on the bridge deck.

[chucklesR]

Check out Performance Cruising Inc. - The Official Gemini 105MC and Telstar 28 Web - I find the boat to be a best of both worlds design in a smallish cruising catamaran. I am of course partial and biased.
The hulls are roughly 8:1 length: beam. I've had mine at 10.3 knts SOG in 16 knts on a close reach (50 degrees off the wind) going up current in 1.25 knts of current. Other owners have reported (and photographed) top speeds of 18 knts, and routinely get 10+.

From the side the gemini looks like a moderately high windage mono. That's hard to do with a queen sized bed in the master cabin and twin staterooms aft with double beds. It has 39 inches of clearance at the front it takes chesapeake chop well on the nose, but with only 18 inches at the stern we do get the occasional 'thumb' on the floor of the cockpit. Reportedly they do well in typical ocean swell and have crossed the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean quite well. Several reside in Hawaii, having sailed there on their own bottoms, a couple are currently circumnavigating (theslapdash.com.
By making the salon area standing height for only the walk in area and sitting height at the salon table Tony Smith (the designer) was able to give it a nice profile. Otherwise, headroom is 6'2" throughout.
I routinely dock my boat in a cross wind of 5 or so knots and I can tell you it parks and tracks as surely as a car with very little problem caused by windage.
Mine:

[sailingdog]

chuckles-

fyi, your link to slapdash is busted, got a ")" where it ain't supposed to be.

[chucklesR]

Fixed it, thanks.

[sailingdog]

De nada...

[Azblows]

So, 3 feet between the bottom of the bridge deck & the deep blue sea.

In some cases long and thin is good but can it be taken to extremes? For example a 50' cat with a waterline beam of 2.5' mathmatically will produce a vapor trail at 35+ kts. In reality though, will it? Since I hate doing time in the hulls of any boat I am going to keep the boat light in terms of gear and have a tapered bridge deck encompassing all accomodations with a profile to the wind of about 3'. Add a nice sail plan and I'm having fun! Or at least that is the current plan. So, any thoughts on the long skinny hull thing?

[BigCat69]

Originally Posted by sctpc

Yes but what would the optimal height formula be I have been reading for over 4 hours since I read this post and lots of designers mention it but is there a rule to it, 'deck should be 2 foot making cabin 9 foot for a 30 foot cat or deck 4 foot cabin roof 10 foot for a 50 foot cat.

I find it interesting that all the other design stuff is quite well out explained but none on windage problems ect.

The less cabin, the better from a windage and weight standpoint. There are various rules of thumb for bridgedeck clearance. .06 x DWL is one. As far as hull waterline beam goes, some say 16 to 1 is as good as it gets from a resistance standpoint. A fast cruiser will be about 12 or 13 to 1, but the shorter the boat, the more beam there will be in the hulls in order to get a reasonable amount of room inside and carrying capacity. 8 to 1 hull beam to DWL length is common in small to medium size cruising cats. Overall beam is usually about one half of the overall length. Recent designs are often somewhat beamier overall-BOA 55% of LOA is not uncommon now. Tim Dunn - 65 Foot Sailing Catamaran Design by Tim Dunn

[sailingdog]

One other point is the overall beam of the boat, especially in the case of a catamaran matters as well. If the beam is relatively narrow for the boat size, the hull wake from the two hulls can interfere with performance.