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Trying to follow along here, be patient. Is the suggestion to put the traveller aft of the end of the boom and just slightly below it? If that is the plan, then wouldn't much of the force on the mainsheets be pulling nearly straight back instead of more downward? I would question as to whether those force angles were designed into the boom harware where it attaches to the mast. I wonder how much rearward(towards aft) pull one could generate with some overly aggressive trimming on a nice big winch.
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Yep - one of the reasons my first post on this thread said it might not be a DIY project.
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On a C30 with 'now' end boom sheeting in the proposed scenario I don't think much winch work would be needed with the leverage gained but as you mentioned and I was alluding to the pull would be back not down giving the vang an extra workout.
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Keep in mind, you'll probably pay for this rig twice. Once when you build it and install it and then a second time when you go to sell it. It will likely cause many to balk at the 'abnormal' rig and you'll suffer a loss in value.
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Alright, who is the candy ass that gave me a bad rep point from this thread saying only: "constantly likes to "dis" contrary opinions" and not even big enough to sign it??? I don't "dis" anyones opinions. I may disagree with them, but that is my perogative to do so. Hell, I usually AM the contray opinion!! In my OPINION the Hunter Rollbar is really F#@$% ugly on anyboat, especially Hunters. By the way, who uses a word like "DIS"??? What the hell are you, a wannabe 80's rapper????

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T34 -- I gave you a positive one back since we agree on this one. I spent some time looking at 2 Hunters on the hard at the marina last week. Also 2 C-30's. My problems with the Hunter start with the B&R rig itself. One of the Hunters has the big struts to help hold the mast up since the B&R rig has no backstay. Struts = tripping hazard at the mast. Big, long swept-back spreaders that limit down wind work with the main. But it is easy to adjust the control lines to move the traveler. Mainsheet apprarently still goes forward to the mast and then back on the cabin top to the cockpit -- standard on lots of boats -- but means it is not on the arch and he will still have to go forward to tend to that unless I missed on the mainsheet runs, or figure out another solution. I could see no control blocks for the mainsheet on the Hunter arches-- only two for the control lines on the arch. How to handle the mainsheet on the C-30 is one more engineering item to consider

As for retrofitting this to a C-30, especially with the idea of having the roll bar aft of the boom -- not wild about that idea after looking at the C-30's. Might have an issue with the backstay in the way, and a definite issue of how strong to make the attachment points on the coamings. This presents a whole new stress pattern to the deck. Someone else mentioned new stresses on the gooseneck. Plus, you will have the two legs of the arch to work around when docking, etc. On the whole, lots to consider compared to the benefit of cockpit space.

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Alright, who is the candy ass that gave me a bad rep point from this thread saying only: "constantly likes to "dis" contrary opinions" and not even big enough to sign it??? I don't "dis" anyones opinions. I may disagree with them, but that is my perogative to do so. Hell, I usually AM the contray opinion!! In my OPINION the Hunter Rollbar is really F#@$% ugly on anyboat, especially Hunters. By the way, who uses a word like "DIS"??? What the hell are you, a wannabe 80's rapper????

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Thanks Mitch- I totally agree with all the points you brought up in addition to some others mentioned. Where and how to attach to the hull, because it will cause problems. probably need to raise the boom height (read re-cut the main at min.) Basically the boat wasn't designed for this. If you were going to go to all that trouble, might as well build a flybridge up there so you can position a full-time mainsail trimmer aloft. Perhaps a nice Florida flats boat for fishing would be better to emulate.

Chuckie- I actually think something like this on your boat would be a good idea.
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