Hoyt Balanced Rig

[BigCat69]

"By the way, I don't know how much time you spent with lug rigged mono-hulls but they are not a good combo." -My rig was designed by Blondie Hasler, a founder of the single handed trans-Atlantic race. I sailed it from Seattle to: the Marquesas Islands, the Society Islands, both Samoas, Tonga, New Zealand, Fiji, Tuvalu, Kiribati, the Carolines, the Marianas, New Guinea, Palau, the Philippines, and Hong Kong. It worked great, much better than my Ericson 35 stock fin keel sloop, which I sailed from LA to Hawaii, Hawaii to Seattle, and Seattle to LA again.
-My current thinking is an evolution of that success to make it point higher-a fully battened wing sail.

[BigCat69]

"Can I be the Devil's advocate here??" -Thanks for the kind thoughts, Giulietta. While I do offer to sell copies of my design, I am not in the marine business, and in fact, I designed my boat for my own use. I doubt if I will ever make any money selling yacht plans, as my ideas are, and long have been, much too far from the mainstream for commercial success. As we can see, I have already stimulated reflexive derogation from the timorous defenders of conformist views.

[Giulietta]

Cat...we're really good people here...seriously...

Jeff is an old time member here, that has been around since the time of the square wheel, and pine cones for toilet paper ...please don't see his reamarks as personal attack...he writtes a lot and very long posts, and has a lot of experience. His knowledge is great and he is a great asset here...

We like him, and he likes us...we think....well anyway...like I said, he is not attcaking you personally..

I sympatize with inventions and people that think outside the box...therefore simpatize with you also...I was involved in the construction of my boat and know what it takes and what is needed to bring up a project like a boat..

Now...do you have some photos of those babies sailing??

[BigCat69]

No sailing photos yet, Giulietta-I am getting this one approved by the USCG (United States Coast Guard,) as a passenger carrying vessel (commercial use,) so it's just a gleam in my eye at the moment. They have kept me twiddling my thumbs for 5 months now-you can't start without prior approval, if you want to carry passengers for hire. My old out-of-the-box boat was Batwing, the boat I sailed across the Pacific. Her second owners circumnavigated in her, and her current owners are in Central America, where they have sailed from the Seattle area. Here are some links for their sites: Batwing Chronicles Batwing

I 'finished out' Batwing, as I bought her hull and deck with a couple of bulkheads in it. I got lots of flack from passers-by who made fun of the canoe stern, the pilot house, and the forward raking foremast. The sneering stopped when they watched her tack up a few narrow channels, which had been alleged to be impossible until we did it. She didn't have a cockpit cover or side cloths when I owned her, however. Since the pilot house windows open, I don't see the need.

[Giulietta]

Cat...impressive....you have my respect and admiration..

I like people that just out of the blue..show up, and casually say...hey...I went to the moon and back 3 times!!!

Cool thank you sir.

By the way..I'm Alex

And this is my ride...at 6000 kg total weight sailing

[Giulietta]

And you can read about it

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[soulesailor]

Originally Posted by Giulietta

On a larger boat, sailing in stronger winds, where the stiffness of the mast will have to be higher, since there are no shrouds? Is mast tech and materials up to par for such an application?? I don't think it is yet...what thickness and weight would it be??

I don't understand why an un-stayed mast can't work on a larger boat concerned with weight and speed. Bruce Schwabb sailed in the last Vendee Globe race with a huge, fast boat with an un-stayed carbon fiber mast.

I would think the goose-neck would be the weak link since having the sail off-center creates a lever arm for the forces on the mast down low. Also, if your sail is far off center doesn't that put your forward thrust further off-center and add to the turning force of the boat, making it more out of balance?

[Giulietta]

Yes..you are right about the OP and its mast, and that it a far off inovative design....yes absolutely right..

Question still is how that behaves in time in more common applications at affordable prices..but yes...you're right

[BigCat69]

"I would think the goose-neck would be the weak link since having the sail off-center creates a lever arm for the forces on the mast down low. Also, if your sail is far off center doesn't that put your forward thrust further off-center and add to the turning force of the boat, making it more out of balance?"

I didn't quite follow this. Which rig / boat is it directed to? If you are talking about BigCat 65, it doesn't have any goosenecks. If you are speaking of biplane (aka tandem) rigs, there have been many which have reported no difficulties with off center masts and sails-Cool Change, Pho, Cat2fold, Dragon Wings, and Magic Carpet are a few that come to mind. In general, catamarans aren't very sensitive to balance issues-you will find their daggerboards and keels vary widely in their locations relative to their CEs. Monohulls pick up much of their weather helm by heeling - the CE moves outboard, creating a lever off the boat's center to leeward. Cruising cats, of course, don't do that, as they don't heel more than 5% or so.

[Martinini]

Looks like a modified Junk Rig, to me of little experiance.