Long versus short overhangs

[copacabana]

JeffH, what do you think of the Argentine designers German Frers and Nestor Volker? They are very popular here.

[Jeff_H]

I like German Frers latest designs such as the Swan 45 and the two Hylas's that he did recently. I think that Frers has always been a designer who can produce performance oriented designs that are also more wholesome than most. I have been a fan of his since right after his S&S days. I am not familiar with Nestor Volker.

Jeff

[CharlieCobra]

We got caught out in some of the nastiest wave action I've seen this past Saturday. We had waves coming from two directions on our beam and 30+ knots of wind. We also saw three rogues running perpendicular to the rest of the waves, that just rode over the normal wave train. This was a clear day, unforcasted event. While we never got pooped, I did have a couple break over the high side onto me (we were heeled at 30-40) for a nice saltwater bath. These waves were straight up the San Juan de Fuca from the Pacific against a strong ebb and with the wind. They were short period, vicious things. I've been out in 60+ and these bastards were the worst I've seen. It didn't help that they were on the beam either. We did a lot of surfing along the faces of these things and the boat was a handful at times. It was a very strange passage.

[dsestini]

Just a comment about long over hangs on older boats. One thing I’ve leant about sailing is that it’s all a trade off whether racing or cursing. If you have the money to buy new “quality” construction modern design you’re going to get the best boat. For those of us that cant buy quality and modern, many of the newer boats mention especially the production boats I would not be caught dead on off shore on, sure the ride might be nice until the fin keel breaks loose, plastic through hulls crack, or core damaged accurse do to continuous slamming do to flat bow sections. It depends on what you’re doing with the boat. Our Block Island 40 isn’t the fastest boat and she will pitch at times. However we don’t conceder reefing in anything under 20 knots, we think about it at 25 and do it at 30. Above 30 we sail under jib and mizzen and general smile. The v shape of the bow on our boat, the Cape Dory , Hinckley Pilot insures no pounding, maybe pitching but no pounding. And in general if maintained are better construction than many new production boats at a fraction of the price. Seriously a Hinckley Pilot at less than half the price of the same size new Catalina, I think it’s a no brainer. If your going to sail the coast of Maine get the Cape Dory or the Pilot, if your racing go modern light with long water lines. If you’re going off shore get the safest boat for your budget. If you’re a trailer sailor well then you constrained by draft.

Just a fact; 20% of sailors will notice the Catalina 380 coming into port, 80% of sailors will notice the Pilot 35 and the other classics beauties come into port.

[puddinlegs]

You realize that you're responding to a thread that's about 2 1/2 years old?

[COOL]

It looks like an interesting discussion to
wade back through. I enjoy it when some
of these 'classic' threads are dredged back up.

[souljour2000]

D'sestini....glad you posted on that old thread...I had missed it somehow. This was one of the best threads I've seen in here...I for one would welcome anybody who has new angles or anecdotes concerning the albeit wide compass points of this thread to weigh in...