Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Blogs               
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbldg & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Galley
Hardware
Interior
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Tlr & Wtrsprts
Videos
Clearance Items




Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Sailboat Design and Construction
User Name
Password
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 Like this article?  Digg It!  or   Bookmark it!
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008
dhornsey dhornsey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 59
Rep Power: 2
dhornsey is on a distinguished road
Adding Ballast

When the ballast was poured into our full keel back in 1978 they didn't get it quite right. She sits about 2 inches higher at the stern than the bow. We're in the process of replacing our engine with one that is around 100 pounds lighter, which might make the problem even more noticable.

While the engine is out I'm considering adding some ballast to the very stern end of our bilge. Has anyone done anything like this? Any suggestions on how to figure out the correct amount? I would imagine I would fiberglass in some lead pigs?

Any advice appreciated. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008
artbyjody's Avatar
artbyjody artbyjody is online now
Now Moderating Self ;)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Elliott Bay Marina, N-106 Seattle, WA
Posts: 2,862
Rep Power: 4
artbyjody is a jewel in the roughartbyjody is a jewel in the roughartbyjody is a jewel in the roughartbyjody is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via AIM to artbyjody Send a message via Yahoo to artbyjody
Is the boat actually loaded with your gear yet?

You may want to hold off a bit before adding ballast, because things like BBQ grills, full fuel tanks, and otherwise loading the boat - if you load center and aft, will definitely bring your stern lower. When I was cruising on my C-27 - the stern dropped a inch or 2 - and it didn't really take that much...If it is really a concern use something you can remove like sand bags or water jugs...

The stern really doesn't have to be weighted down too much to get it to squat right..but fiberglassing in lead - you may regret it later... some re-positioning of gear / storage items may make the difference you are looking for...
__________________
-- Jody

Looking to Crew in PNW? Racing / Cruising on S/V "Hello Gorgeous""

S/V "Hello Gorgeous" - 1983, Barberis Show 38!






Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008
sailaway21 sailaway21 is offline
Owner, Green Bay Packers
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SW Michigan
Posts: 8,658
Rep Power: 6
sailaway21 is a jewel in the roughsailaway21 is a jewel in the roughsailaway21 is a jewel in the roughsailaway21 is a jewel in the rough
Year, make, and model?
__________________
The brain is merely a knot that keeps the spinal cord from unraveling.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Ad
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2008
JohnRPollard's Avatar
JohnRPollard JohnRPollard is offline
Sailor
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cheapskate Bay
Posts: 2,313
Rep Power: 3
JohnRPollard has a spectacular aura aboutJohnRPollard has a spectacular aura about
Also, how many crew do you typically sail with? If you usually have 2-3 or more adults in the cockpit, that will often balance it out pretty well on a small-medium size boat. If you are talking about a 40+ footer then crew weight might not be as noticeable.

Another question, are you carrying a large inventory of anchor chain in the bow?
__________________

Pacific Seacraft Crealock 31
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008
dhornsey dhornsey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 59
Rep Power: 2
dhornsey is on a distinguished road
It's a '78 Pacific Seacraft Mariah 31. I'm told it was the very last Mark I, but had the ballast poured the way they did it for the Mark II, which had some slight design changes. I'll certainly see what I can do about packing some gear a little differently. Using something removable is also a great idea, remove the possibility of regrets. We don't have an enormous amount of chain, but we do have 2 anchors right out on the bowsprit (35lbs and 20lbs). We only have the 2 of us as crew.

Thanks for the replies.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008
JohnRPollard's Avatar
JohnRPollard JohnRPollard is offline
Sailor
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cheapskate Bay
Posts: 2,313
Rep Power: 3
JohnRPollard has a spectacular aura aboutJohnRPollard has a spectacular aura about
Sorry, Dhornsey, I'd forgotten that you have a Mariah.

I wouldn't call that an inordinate amount of anchor weight on the rollers (we have a 35 lb and 25 lb anchor on ours.) And if you aren't carrying all chain rodes, then anchor and chain weight wouldn't be contributing much to the bow-down trim. And two average adults in the cockpit probably won't correct it either.

Interesting about the ballast change between the Mark 1 and 2 Mariah. Good to know. Do you know whether your boat was factory finished or built out by an owner from a hull/deck kit?

Sometime in the past year or so, there was an interesting article in Good Old Boat magazine by Jerry Montgomery, in which he described ballast modifications that he had to make on one of his Montgomery pocket cruisers. He worked with the designer, Lyle Hess, to correct the problem, but the gist was that very small amounts of ballast can make a big difference in trim and righting moment.

The advice above about loading the boat first, with heavier gear further aft, is good. If you decide to add ballast, add it gradually. Another variable is tankage -- maybe you could use-up your forward water tank first, or if you only have one consider adding a second water tank somewhere aft so that you get something useful for the extra weight being hauled around?
__________________

Pacific Seacraft Crealock 31
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-06-2008
dhornsey dhornsey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 59
Rep Power: 2
dhornsey is on a distinguished road
The boat was factory finished, with the exception of the mast & rigging. I'll try to track down that good old boat article, thanks for the suggestion.
__________________
Pacific Seacraft Mariah 31
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-10-2008
Sailormann Sailormann is offline
Here .. Pull this
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,709
Rep Power: 2
Sailormann will become famous soon enough
It may be the case that modificiations/substitutions have been made over the last 30 years that affected the trim. Is the engine original ? Shaft ? Bearing ? Rudder ? Keel Ballast ? Tankage ? Batteries/location ?

I'm echoing others here - no need to try to make anything permanent. If you do decide to add more lead, build some type of framing that can hold the stuff in place securely, but don't glass it in. Hard to ensure that you're getting adequate load transfer. You don't want to end up with soft spots on the hull.

Good Luck !
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Caliber factory tour Melrna Buying a Boat 56 08-12-2008 11:08 AM
MacGregor 26 vs. ? jiml2p Buying a Boat 128 07-17-2008 02:23 AM
Full Keel Vs. Fin or Modified Full Keel AjariBonten Sailboat Design and Construction 37 11-15-2007 11:26 PM
What can you tell from the numbers? brazilnut Buying a Boat 9 11-18-2004 02:44 AM
biologists looking for assistance teambenthos General Discussion (sailing related) 12 06-01-2004 01:59 PM

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8
(c) Sailnet 2000-2006