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Old 05-22-2008
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I've built two Glen-L designs, the 8 ball and the glen'l 12' sloop. Stepdad built the 21CB from a kit. At the time you could also buy a fin keel version.

Plans are well thought out, detailed etc for all three boats.

As far as which is cheaper......well, it took me 2 yrs for ea of the ones I built as a teenager, step dad was about 3 yrs for the 21CB, and now close to 30 yrs for a plywood hard chine seabird II yawl by Bill Garden. Yes that is correct, 30 yrs!!!!!!

Frankly, as mentioned, buying a fiberglass hulk will get you farther than starting from scratch as far as when you get on the water. That design you have chosen, was not available in the 70's when we built our boats. But does get rave reviews when talked about, and from Glen'l's forum, folks that have built it, like it!

SO go from there. You will spend plenty in tools etc, probably in the end, not making it trully cost effective, but hey, if it is something you want to do, go for it. Otherwise, a cheap fixer upper would be my choice!

In the meant time, Chesapeak light craft have some nice stic and glue dingys that I am drooling over! Then again, as I still have my 8 ball sail, a S&G version, or just build what I had, sold to neghbor! but he never claimed the sail!

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I think something like this totally depends on what kind of person you are.

It's like anything else, if you are the kind of person who can "be the ant" and just get out there and work every day on something until it is done, great, you can probably accomplish anything you set out to do. But if you are the kind of person who starts projects and doesn't finish them, works until the fun parts are over and leave the boring parts, work until the inspiration wears off, etc, then sounds like a bad way to go.
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Talking thank you!!

I'd like to really thank everyone for their replies and great advice...I now have a lot to read and rethink and probably a new direction to go. I like the idea of the older models that are less expensive and I can sail them while redoing some things...

also--what's everyones thoughts on the catmarans vs the tradional sail boats..I'd like to be able to spend some nights on the boat and make some long weekends on her...I'm a teacher (science) and have some extended time off in the summer, so I can spend some time on the water (as long as the wife doesn't mind)--

again thanks all.

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by cats, do you mean catboats or catamarans??
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There has been a loty of good information been provided by some of the earlier posters. As someone who has built a number of small boats and helped build a number of small boats, I must say that there are two types of people who successfully build their own boats. The first group are people who enjoy building boats as much as, or more than they enjoy sailing. They are self-starters with lots of spare time and don't mind devoting, sometimes for years of their life, nearly every weekend and evening to the hard work of building a boat from scratch. For them building their own boat is its own reward.

The second group has very unique and specific goals for their boat, are very experienced sailors with strong ideas and could not afford to have a boat custom built for them. Only you know if you fall in the first group but it sounds like you clearly do not fall in the second group

Other than those two groups, and I personally think that there is no good reason to build your own boat. The market is full of boats of nearly all descriptions that will be far less expensive to buy and customize, than to build from scratch. This is especially the case if you place any value on your time, or if you consider then small resale value that used custom boats have in the marketplace relative to equal quality production boats of the same age, let alone older.

Building a boat, even with a well thought out kit, requires a thousand little decisions that ultimately make the difference between a boat easier to sail and maintain versus a boat that is a nightmare to sail and own. I have been aboard and helped rebuild/repair, and sort out home-builts in both caegories. The difference is often a builder with decades of experience in sailing, boat maintenance boat building. If that's not you I suggest that building a boat as complex as this one might be a poor idea.

As a sometimes yacht designer, I can only strongly recommend that you chose the best possible design that you can find. The cost of the design is cheap (often only a few percent) compared to the cost of the finshed boat. A good design will produce a more enjoyable boat to own and a boat that will be easier to resell should you outgrow it.

The design in question, while pretty to look at, is a very mediocre design. This is not especially an ideal design for a first boat, and compared to other choses out there is perhaps halfway decent for a slightly updated 1960's era design, but we have learned a lot about seakeeping, motion comfort, ease of handling, and performance since then. The GlenL in question is a material intensive design and so will require more labor and money to build than a more up to date design.

I think you would be way ahead of the game with a design like Dudley Dix's Didi 26 Didi 26 radius chine plywood boat plans ,which at least is an up to date enough design that you might have half a chance of reselling the boat later on at a decent price and also a boat that should be quicker and easier for a first time boat builder to construct.

Whatever you chose to do I wish you good luck, suggest that you should feel free to come back and kick around ideas as you think this through, and hope that you will let us know what you end up doing.

Respectfully,

Jeff

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sorry--i was thinking about the catamarans...not sure what a catboat is.
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The nomenclature is a bit confusing. Catboats are a traditional designed low draft, one mast far forward with only one sail. They seem to have a high re-sale value. Cats for Sale 145..
SD and Chuckles are just two catamaran owners on this forum who can tell you more about them from personal experience. I can only tell you that catamarans (often alluded to as 'cats' just to be confusing) have a higher theoretical (and actual) hull speed than a mono-hulls but generally do not point upwind as well.
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Caleb-

I most certainly do not own a catamaran... I have a trimaran, which is obviously the superior design, having best characteristics of a monohull and a catamaran and the same number of hulls as both added together.

Novicesailor-

I have written fairly extensively on the difference between trimarans and catamarans on this site previously. What catamarans were you looking at??
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My bad SD. Indeed your multi-hull is a trimaran and not a catamaran. At least I remembered that you have a multi-hull and were likely to post here!
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I love working on boats!
The saw dust. Sticking your head out into sunlight every now and again to see the river glinting with promise.

I built a stitch over frame sea kayak recently. Even that took longer than i anticipated. These projects ALWAYS do.

I did up an old Snapdragon 23. Hull, deck, windows, rudder, mast and rigging were fine. No engine and standing water inside the hull had rotted all the wood throughout, although the bulkheads were ok. So I ripped it all out an (inexpertly) built in new bunks. I cut down some foam to fit and it was cooozy.

Getting the lifting keel to work was a story i wont go into here but i did eventually get out on the water and had never been so proud till i had my first kid.

The point im eventually getting around to is that I got creative boat building I wanted out of this project without breaking the bank or taking on a project i was never going to finish.

There are loads of neglected boats out there. They built fibreglass strong in the 60s and 70s! A bit of commitment, blood sweat and a few tears is all they need!

Its up to you but if you ask me Id rather be out there feeling the kick of the tiller and the spray on my face.
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