what up with the plywood? - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Blogs               
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items









Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Boat Review and Purchase Forum > Sailboat Design and Construction
 Not a Member? 



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
AllThumbs's Avatar
midlife crisis member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 827
Rep Power: 4
AllThumbs is on a distinguished road
what up with the plywood?

I looked at a boat today with plywood partitions under the sole of the cabin and under the cockpit. These partitions (bulkheads?) were tabbed in but not covered in fiberglass. The area inder the cockpit is basically a bilge, so this plywood is wet all the time, causing the tabbing to delaminate. The plywood is wet but not rotten. Is this typical construction? This is the second boat of this make/model (1973 DS 20) that is built this way.

Eric
__________________
Back in the day, people were opposed to the idea that the world might not be flat.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
tommays's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,986
Rep Power: 4
tommays is on a distinguished road
It is more common than people would like to believe BUT look how long it lasted


It is a massive problem on power boats even some of the better ones
__________________
1970 Cal 29 Sea Fever

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1981 J24 Tangent 2930
Tommays
Northport NY


If a dirty bottom slows you down what do you think it does to your boat
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
hellosailor's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,581
Rep Power: 7
hellosailor will become famous soon enough hellosailor will become famous soon enough
Probably built cheap as day sailors, designed to be hauled up and stored in racks overnight and cheap enough for camp classes.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
AllThumbs's Avatar
midlife crisis member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 827
Rep Power: 4
AllThumbs is on a distinguished road
To fix, let it dry out for a couple months, cut the tabbing and retab? Then coat the plywood with epoxy?

Eric
__________________
Back in the day, people were opposed to the idea that the world might not be flat.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 3,962
Rep Power: 12
bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about bubb2 has a spectacular aura about
a few words, the first coat Penetrating Epoxy, than build it up with regular epoxy
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
Stillraining's Avatar
Handsome devil
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: LaConner,Washington
Posts: 3,477
Rep Power: 7
Stillraining is a jewel in the rough Stillraining is a jewel in the rough Stillraining is a jewel in the rough
Boy...wet all the time?..Plywood just does not belong in this environment no matter what you do to it...sorry but sounds like a major design flaw to me..

Bay-liner boats has a horrible reputation just for this reason. I have owned 3 of them and all suffer from ply delamination and rot.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 514
Rep Power: 8
merc2dogs is on a distinguished road
agreed power boats are worse

first power boat I owned had the 'bilge' under the sole with a small well for draining aft. when I repowered the old enging slipped off the hoist and came crashing down onto the sole and messed up the ply. First plan was to just repair the damage by inserting a section large enough to catch the stringers, but as soon as I started cutting I found mold and crap, found that everything in there was plywood, and nothing was sealed in any way, roughly half the stringers were tabbed in, the rest were screwed to those,or the 'backbone' and the sole was just screwed to the stringers and caulked at the perimeter. Everything was soft enough that you could delaminate it with your fingernails.
Boat at the time was about 6 years old.
I ended up spnding a month on that boat making everything from the sole down out of marine ply, and encapsulating it and tabbing everything together on the subassembly. Totally changed the behavior of the boat, and reduced maintenance a bit because a lot of things that used to work loose and get wobbly stayed solid, seats, engine cover and so on, figure the 'loose' floor system allowed everything to shift and wobble, when I redid it it acted as a single unit.

My Ariel has a couple 'open' pywood panels under the cockpit, and an unsealed area above the bilge, but I'm willing to leave it sit, as at 43 the plywood still looks as good as new.

Ken.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
Perithead's Avatar
Montgomery 17
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: S/E Alabama
Posts: 366
Rep Power: 5
Perithead is on a distinguished road
Yeah I agree with most everyone else, figure out some way to seal it and go sailing!
__________________
Small is beautiful, simple, cheap, and easy......
Visit my website
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
! Lots of useful info and sailing videos.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 10-11-2008
SVDistantStar's Avatar
'72 Pearson 36
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Charleston SC
Posts: 497
Rep Power: 6
SVDistantStar is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to SVDistantStar



Do something to fix it.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1972 Pearson 36 S.V. Distant Star
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Building a small plywood work boat SVDistantStar Gear & Maintenance 11 10-06-2008 09:07 PM
What's the best way to epoxy in plywood? duffer1960 Gear & Maintenance 8 05-29-2006 07:34 PM
Marine plywood VS. pressure treated (wolmanized) plywood duffer1960 Gear & Maintenance 8 03-03-2006 01:12 AM
Marine Grade Plywood? Vastbinder General Discussion (sailing related) 42 07-13-2005 09:37 AM
Plywood replacement Gene4er Gear & Maintenance 0 10-29-2002 06:41 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:42 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
(c) Sailnet 2000-2006