Collapsible Cradle - SailNet Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 9 Old 10-28-2008 Thread Starter
Pearson 31-2 #80 ('87)
 
Delirious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 374
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 14
 
Collapsible Cradle

Even the name sounds bad, but I need one.

Here's my problem. I just purchased a 31 ft, 10,200lb sailboat that has no cradle Wing keel, 4" draft. It needs some work, so I am having it shipped to a yard that mandates a cradle for the boats (they use a huge forklift to swap the boats in and out of the work shed). They want to build me a cradle and don't have one to rent.

The marina I want to end up at in the spring is small and has a travel-lift, but no means of moving a cradle around on the property. The winter storage yard becomes the parking/picnic area. That marina insists on jackstands so they can "clear the decks" in the spring and chain the stands up at the woodline on the edge of the marina.

Cut to the chase - it's run by a very stubborn and opinionated woman (who I actually like a great deal) who doesn't like cradles, period. Also, if you don't winter-store with her you tend to find there is no available slip come spring. I'm hoping if I guarantee to have a ctradle appear on the spot when the travel-lift drops the boat and that vanishes again in the spring without her one yard man's involvement I can sway her. I have enough "atta-boys" from a few years back when we were based there that I think I can pull that much of a favor.

So what I need is a break-down cradle that can be disassembled and transported between the work yard and the marina (10 miles) on my 1,000 lb capacity 4 x 8 utility trailer (overhangs allowable with flags) and can be dragged to the woodline in pieces or reassembled as needed on haul-out day.

Anyone have plans or images of such a beast? Thoughts? Ideas?

Charlie P. Mud Hen 17 #69 Mad Hatter

To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive - R.L. Stevenson

I suspect that, if you should go to the end of the world, you would find somebody there going farther . . . - H.D. Thoreau
Delirious is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 Old 10-28-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Sure...

You could probably make the cradle using angle iron and 4"x4"s to create the cradle so that it can be easily disassembled.

You'll probably have to use some pipe in the construction of the cradle to put "boat stand" heads on to support the hulls and keep the boat balanced.

The real problem is keeping the pieces small enough to move and making the cradle light enough for you to move on your utility trailer. Steel angle iron heavy enough to make a cradle you can disassemble is going to be fairly heavy, probably a good deal heavier than a cradle that doesn't come apart.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 9 Old 10-28-2008
Here .. Pull this
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,031
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Sailormann is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 9 Old 10-28-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Sailormann-

Nice link...didn't know about those... and the 1.5 model looks like it'd do the job nicely...

Delirious—

Give them a call and ask how much the cradles are, and whether the #1 would work for your boat or if you really need the #1.5 cradle.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 9 Old 10-29-2008
Senior Member
 
JimsCAL's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Glen Cove, NY
Posts: 2,809
Thanks: 2
Thanked 71 Times in 66 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Our club used Jowi cradles for many years. Most were Model 1s. It takes at least 4 people to lift one onto a trailer - 6 is better. While removing the stands will help a bit, the base is one large heavy welded piece. Model 1 cradles were about $500 plus shipping when we bought them over 20 years ago. Probably more like $1000 today.
JimsCAL is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 9 Old 10-29-2008
Senior Member
 
mikehoyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 687
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 15
 
Marine Cradle shop in Marham, Ontario builds folding steel cradles.

Mine measures 11 feet x 5 feet x 11 inches when folded. Problem is that my boat weights 3800lbs, 8.5 beam, 27.5 LOA. The cradle weghs 440 lbs

Your boat is considerably larger and heavier

Mike

Last edited by mikehoyt; 10-29-2008 at 05:04 PM.
mikehoyt is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 9 Old 10-29-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 221
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delirious View Post
Anyone have plans or images of such a beast? Thoughts? Ideas?
Look at page 7 of http://www.grampianowners.com/G34/g34_manual.pdf for a timber cradle for a 34' 12,000 boat.

The drawing is a little hard to make out, but the cradle is 8' wide and you can estimate the other dimensions from that. The uprights look like 4x4s. Check Home Depot for 4x6 and 6x6 landscape timbers for the bigger parts, or nail 2x6s/2x8s together. Of course the "pad" height will have to be adjusted for your boat.

Bolt the major parts together. If you can't get carriage bolts long enough, use threaded rod. 1/2" diameter with washers will be big enough.

If you use some ramps and the mainsheet tackle off your boat, it shouldn't be too difficult to drag the cradle onto your trailer.

Good luck,

Tim
Gramp34 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 9 Old 10-29-2008
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 16,534
Thanks: 104
Thanked 310 Times in 300 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
We've used a cradle that consisted of 4 posts (4x4 square tube) c/w adjustable pads connected with scaffold type scissor braces. Easily fits into the back of a small truck or van when collapsed. I believe a company in the Okanogan area of BC produced them.. Worked great. A long ways from you but I could try to find out the company name if you like.

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 9 Old 10-29-2008 Thread Starter
Pearson 31-2 #80 ('87)
 
Delirious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 374
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 14
 
All for nought.

I called the marina and talked with the only yard-man. He made a good point that he's often lifting and setting boats alone and lacks the equipment to drag even parts of collapsing or break-down cradles and, as often as not, the owners don't show up for their actual pull date/time. Have to drop the mast to use the full-box lift there anyway so the cradles don't offer that advantage.

The good news is that I went back to the yard that will be worknig on the boat over the winter and they've agreed to arrange a "loaner" that I can lease for the winter.

Thanks all. That Lowi looks like a good cradle.

Charlie P. Mud Hen 17 #69 Mad Hatter

To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive - R.L. Stevenson

I suspect that, if you should go to the end of the world, you would find somebody there going farther . . . - H.D. Thoreau
Delirious is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cradle for a Bayfield 29 jskrypek Gear & Maintenance 5 11-15-2008 08:01 AM
Advice on Moving a Cradle in Ontario, Canada jonb General Discussion (sailing related) 6 03-19-2008 07:20 PM
Need cradle measurements J27 mikehoyt Gear & Maintenance 4 03-06-2008 04:48 PM
Re: Want to buy a trailer or cradle for keelboat NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 05-14-2006 03:15 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome