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HS, over here, even though there is a legal obligation for the owner to pass on the AMSA Certificate of Registration, it doesn't always happen..

If the boat is registered, any individual can get a full set of docs for a boat from AMSA by sending in the appropriate form with a small fee ($41.00). They are really very helpful, so no "title insurance company" need be involved.

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Hellosailor (your name conjures up in my mind a greeting you would get after being at sea for some time and the reception you would get at the bottom of the boarding plank)....

Thanks for your advice. The original thread started when I was trying to get a feel for "Starlight's" history...

She is now an on the Australian registry.

Thanks for your response.

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Hey Gunny. Does that make me a conjurer?

So in Oz...Boats aren't titled property, and there's no chain of title needed? Anyone can just register as the owner of one, and proving ownership is...just "he says she says" ??

In the US, generally real estate and motor vehicles are titled property. Offhand, I don't think anything else is, except maybe slaves? (Oh wait, officially we don't have those any more.)
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So in Oz...Boats aren't titled property, and there's no chain of title needed? Anyone can just register as the owner of one, and proving ownership is...just "he says she says" ??
Yep, that's right. The only vessels required to be titled are commercial ones - and those leaving Australian waters.

Everyone else is tied to the laws of the State you're in - which, if you have an engine bigger than an egg-beater usually requires the boat to be registered with the local Transport Authority (like a number plate on a car) but that isn't quite the same thing..

IIRC it harks back to the days of build-it-yourself in your own backyard. Anyone could build themselves a boat, buy one, sell one and do whatever they liked with it, but the second you put an engine in, the authorities wanted to make sure the engine, drivetrain and prop didn't kill anyone, so someone needed to certify it as being 'safe' and the only ones around were the Road Transport Authority.

At the same time, since the only people travelling offfshore were commercial ships and fishing boats - with Titles, Mortgages and the rest - a Federal department (now AMSA) looked after that, hence anyone intending to travel OS in a yacht needs to register it as an Australian Ship. Having been through the process, I can tell you the paperwork is exactly the same whether you're buying a 6-ton yacht or a 50,000-ton ocean liner.

So there you have it. Officially, Gunny owns a 38-foot ship!!

..although it's odd that the registered length is different. Government departments don't fluff-up like that. Perhaps it's a HC32 instead??

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Starshine is a HC38MkII

When I had her out of the water for survey I was able to establish this with where her rudder is... LOA is slightly longer when you take the bowsprit into consideration...

I can hardly wait for the "Hogs Breath" race in Airlie Beach where its mandatory for a bare chested young nymph to be up that end the boat...

AArrgh brings back memories of my mispent youth...
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Well done. You're a little higher up the food chain than I am. I'm still on the hunt for our new yacht, and keen to buy one locally so I can get the miles in before we head off. Thats tough because there just isnt much here, and what is here is typically dearer than elsewhere. Its a conundrum I have yet to crack, but I'm trying. Look forward to the photos!
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Starshine is a HC38MkII

When I had her out of the water for survey I was able to establish this with where her rudder is... LOA is slightly longer when you take the bowsprit into consideration....
No problem, just checking. They are nice boats indeed!

You might like to double-check the "vital statistics" on the Certificate of Registration just to satisfy yourself that everything is above board. If it isn't, it can get mighty expensive (been there done that!).

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I can hardly wait for the "Hogs Breath" race in Airlie Beach where its mandatory for a bare chested young nymph to be up that end the boat...

AArrgh brings back memories of my mispent youth...
Heh. Been there seen that, many, many years ago. The Whitsundays would be a very nice place to have a HC38.

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Well done. You're a little higher up the food chain than I am. I'm still on the hunt for our new yacht, and keen to buy one locally so I can get the miles in before we head off. Thats tough because there just isnt much here, and what is here is typically dearer than elsewhere. Its a conundrum I have yet to crack, but I'm trying. Look forward to the photos!
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Simon, hang in there you'll find something eventually. Assume your search has been as far as Esperance and Port Hedland.

Ilenart is over there somewhere and has spent quite some time cruising up and down the coast. Having recently bought/sold his boat, if you PM him, maybe he'll steer you in the right direction.

Agreed - looking forward to Gunny's photos.

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