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New 30' boat, end boom sheeting:

beneteauusa.com/#/?boat=First30

Our main sheet setup is pretty much like Marty's above. We're a bit bigger and have a proportionally larger main, so we do a 6:1 with a 4:1 fine tune.
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Columbia 29's.... Defender's and Mark II's..... 1963-1967 ,,,, Sparkman and Stephens design's...all the same hull mold...different topsides...Defender had a flush deck...all three likely have end-boom sheeting ...I know the MK II does...they are CCA designs I guess with the long booms and big mainsail...small foresail triangle...but fun to sail in my opinion...that big main and boom you can hang out alot of different ways to drive the boat well in shallow areas or narrow approach channels where you want to make headway but dont want to go too fast or have to fire up the "iron jenny"...allows one good forward visibility due to no need for a foresail and yet allows one, as I said, to make some decent headway with that big "flag' of a mainsail.
I really like my '66 Columbia Mk II so far after 8 months... and a trip from Sarasota to Cedar keys and back......she's refreshingly old-school to me after owning several 70's and 80's boats...simple, straightforward and that full keel makes her track like a freight train while a narrow 8 foot beam still keeps her fairly nimble and able to punch thru oncoming waves well... She weighs 8400 lbs...half that is lead ...hard to bury the rails as a result but makes her a bit slow at 6.36 kts though she's sea-kindly and her motion is better than many in a chop. She needs lots more work to get her looking like she should but she has alot of the stuff that counts when the going gets rough....and the price was right...
There's more than a few makes and models of similar 30-footer's that came out of Santa Monica,CA area in the mid 60's...it was a time and place when competing designer's were friends and had factories within a few miles of each other and raced against each other on the weekends...they are all somewhat similar and generally had good heavy fiberglass layup, strong chainplates and non-cored decks and hulls...very average cabinetry and tabbing but adequate enough keep them sound for much of their lives and retain a low 1960's " showroom" floor cost...but many of these boats are pretty tired now when it comes to aforementioned bulkhead tabbing, chainplates,etc...45 years or so simply takes a toll...They are fairly easy to upgrade or repair though .... due to their simple yet smart design...but there's usually just simply ALOT of repairwork at their age...unless you got enough bucks to find one thats always been babied...fair winds!

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Question 30 footer with a proper mainsheet... Hmmmm

Unless you are overly-burdened with money or just want a new(er) boat for reasons of prestige, I would suggest you look closely at an 88-90 Olson 911S or 911LE.

The mainsheet's in the right place for sailing and there's a good (type a layout) interior for cruising.

As others have suggested, Beneteau built some great performance cruisers in their "First" series in the late 80's, too.

End boom sheeting with a traveler or a traveler well aft on a bridge deck is wonderful for short handed or solo sailing.
That's a great feature of our O-34.

Holiday Greetings and happy shopping!

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Easy to solo sail is important to me, but sailing on Lake Erie also requires hull form that won't pound in a chop and a rig that sails in light air. Would the Olsons sail better on Lake Erie that the Columbia 29?
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I know which boat I'd rather be on....unless it was strictly a weekend race nearshore...Olson wins that one hands down with their 30-footer" bumping" 7 knots....likely an EXTREMELY "bumpy" 7 knots however.... I say whatever gets you on the water and back home again safely though...

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I'm just starting to sail and I'm 60, so I'm not thinking about racing. Right now, navigating and sailing to different places on Lake Erie is all I care about. So first boat will likely be 28-31' medium displacement cruiser with slack bilges, an entry that won't pound in a chop, and a fractional rig---or at least a mainsail driven boat. And end boom sheeting (with boom brake or preventer) seems like the easiest rig to solo sail or sail with inexperienced crew. But my next week of lessons might show me how to rig lines from a cabin top traveller back to the helm.

All the other things on the wish list (not much use of liners, decent access to systems, nav station...) will just be tie breakers. Guess it comes down to being lucky enough to find someone who really took care of a nice boat.
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A bit bigger than you're looking for, but the Tartan 33 will fill just about every other of your parameters... look at this one here:

1981 Tartan 33R Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

It's in WA state but I'd reckon there are plenty of these around back east. This may be the masthead version, but here's a look at the frac...

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1274

Four for sale on YW in your area

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...dedSelected=-1
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I've ignored responding for a while assuming that there might be several suggestions. My wife and I are a bit over 70, neither of us weigh over 120 pounds, and we day-sail and over-night on a Beneteau First 36.7 that at some point is going to become too much for us to handle. However, we prefer a performance boat. We looked for a replacement boat last year at the Annapolis Boat Show and were surprised that the only boat we thought could meet out needs was a Beneteau First 30. It's end-boom sheeted, and the traveler is on the stern. Also, down below seems well suited for cruising. We sail a lake with canyons which form a Venturi and with gusty conditions we often experience round-ups even when fully reefed. Our dealer talked to the designers who told him that the flat-heat sail tends to twist out on gusts.

First 30 / First / Sailing Yachts - BENETEAU

http://www.beneteau.com/var/beneteau...0/uk/appli.htm

Beneteau First 30 Review | Daily Sailing News from North American Sailor

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Thank you all for your help.
souljour2000: I like those older designs with longer booms and narrower hulls because I think they were more realistic. Most people probably don't sleep more than 3 or 4, or need to bring so much stuff with them on short cruises. But I'd prefer to find a boat not much older than 25 years.

olson34: I really like the deck layouts on Olson 911s, but I'm afraid that a racing hull will pound too much in a steep chop for a family new to sailing. Maybe after a few years I'll be ready for an Olson.

Faster: Tartan 33 look like a great Lake Erie boat. Guess I thought it was safer not to go over 30' for a first boat. But I've got 10 days of one-on-one single hand sailing classes scheduled for February. Maybe after that I'll think an extra 3' won't make too much of a difference.

TejasSailer: It's good to hear that someone over 70 sails a Beneteau First 36.7. I hope to learn that 60 is not too late to start sailing. I'd be happy enjoying 5 good years. Any more than that would be great.
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.....it's good to hear that someone over 70 sails a Beneteau First 36.7. I hope to learn that 60 is not too late to start sailing. I'd be happy enjoying 5 good years. Any more than that would be great.
The friends we've sailed with quite a bit on a B36.7 are both in their mid 60s and have been touring up and down the Windwards and Leewards in the Caribbean for the last 8 or 9 years.... Obviously it's a 'senior's boat'
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