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As far the autopilot on my boat, someone put a wind vane on once, then found out it didn't need it, a lashed tiller works fine.
I find I don't even need to lash the tiller in reasonably flat water.. just trim the sails and let the boat do it's thing, with the rudder free to respond to any small changes of heel all by itself. Yep, it sure is nice not needing a complicated, power-hungry, autopilot just to keep the boat on track.

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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

think at the speeds these things are going someone going to have to steer. like in a car or mc once you're going fast enough small steering corrections have big results. had wife cruising on a fast tri. said she really didn't like it. always thought we were going too fast made her nervous the whole time.

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Yes I use Dacron sails, I am a cruisng sailor, not a racing sailor. I would not gain from the the new sail materials anyway, as I do not have an unlimited income for my boat the money would be better spent somewhere else (besides by the time I could afford such sails, those materiel would be "obsolete" anyway).
My boat is my home that I live on with a modest income....not like a "rich man's toy" that a racing boat would be.
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I find I don't even need to lash the tiller in reasonably flat water.. just trim the sails and let the boat do it's thing, with the rudder free to respond to any small changes of heel all by itself. Yep, it sure is nice not needing a complicated, power-hungry, autopilot just to keep the boat on track.
I was referring sailing days on end at sea with a lashed tiller. As I have improved the sail balance and haven't experimented around much with the boat over long distances I didn't want to make any claims I wasn't sure of.
It's a pleasure to sail a boat that doesn't have it's own opinion where it wants to go.

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That's odd. We hold the Perry Rendezvous each summer. It's small get togerther at Port Ludlow. We uslally get around 50 boats in attendance. For years a Canadian guy, a German fellow, would sail his Reliance down, by himself. He was rendezvous regular. Sorry I don't remember his name. I do remember his boat was very bright yellow. He loved his Reliance. He was preparing it to go offshore. Mexico as I recall. We'd chat each year and I don't remember him ever complaining about the boat. In fact he raved about it. Can't imagine he'd sail all the way down from Canada to the rendezvous to complain about how his boat handled.

But it seems I have ruffled some feathers here so I will go back to my regular tavern. You are in very good hands with Jeff to handle the technical design questions. He has a thorough grasp of yacht design and a balanced approach to modern design trends. He's a good man.

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I recently moved my boat back to Port Ludlow, maybe we can iron out some of the misunderstandings that come with communicating via a forum.
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All kidding aside, depending upon the where you get your dacron sails, along with the quality of them.......One can get laminates at the same or maybe 10% more than GOOD quality dacron! A slightly lighter wt, better for lighter wind days, and can handle stronger winds to boot. The Ullman Cal for smaller boats like ours, is pretty much a wash when compared to Ullmans BEST quality dacron. "If" you want to compare to say a Lee sails, yes, then the CAL's will be upwards of double the cost. Then again, if you want a really hightech laminate, you go to a string style, ie 3DL, fiberpath, tape drive to name 3 brands of styles, you pay double what dacron or the CAL's go for! Or you can buy a sail from Carol Hasse in PT, pay thru the nose for her dacron sails.....maybe a bit better than the main lofts.....but I am not positive she is THAT much better in how she makes her sails!

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All kidding aside, depending upon the where you get your dacron sails, along with the quality of them.......One can get laminates at the same or maybe 10% more than GOOD quality dacron! A slightly lighter wt, better for lighter wind days, and can handle stronger winds to boot.
Marty, it's a nice suggestion but I've yet to be convinced that the latest in non-stretch laminates is actually useful at all on an "older" boat.. hence my post on that other thread while back that seemingly got lost in the noise: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/showth...33#post1032933

AIUI (happy to be proven wrong) from talking to the old sailmakers around here, a non-lightweight-flyer like my heavy old clunker simply can't pick up her heels and take off on every puff, but needs time to power up. Dacron provides just enough sretch to gently pull and then flatten out again rather than instantly breaking something the moment the squall hits...

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All kidding aside, depending upon the where you get your dacron sails, along with the quality of them.......One can get laminates at the same or maybe 10% more than GOOD quality dacron! A slightly lighter wt, better for lighter wind days, and can handle stronger winds to boot. The Ullman Cal for smaller boats like ours, is pretty much a wash when compared to Ullmans BEST quality dacron. "If" you want to compare to say a Lee sails, yes, then the CAL's will be upwards of double the cost. Then again, if you want a really hightech laminate, you go to a string style, ie 3DL, fiberpath, tape drive to name 3 brands of styles, you pay double what dacron or the CAL's go for! Or you can buy a sail from Carol Hasse in PT, pay thru the nose for her dacron sails.....maybe a bit better than the main lofts.....but I am not positive she is THAT much better in how she makes her sails!

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Her prices are par for the cost in PT...there are a number of businesses in this town that charge a premium that is above what they are really worth....I will check into laminates (sorry I thought what was being refered to was something a bit more exotic). In pricing a new main (37'luff, 15'foot, battenless, roachless, double reef, triple stitched 8oz ) I was looking at around $2000 from two different sail lofts.
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

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You would probably be about $2500 for a cal. IIRC my sail at 32x10, 2 full/partial, 2 reefs was around 2G. My string main was closer 4G. I had dacron depending upon the version of dacron in the low to 1500 range.

I suppose a roachless/battenless sail would be less than a battened sail too!

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I would think ANY improvement on lack of stretch per say would help a boat. Even heavier boats, maybe more so than my lighter boat! I will swag wolf boat was designed in the days of cotton sails. so he is using a newfangles race sail. Yours was a mid 50's? which dacron was probably on par for most boats. Even then, compared to todays dac's probably pretty poor in quality!

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