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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

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You love saying this kind of unsubstantiated malarkie but in all the years that we have had these discussions you have yet to put up a single calculation to support your claims or refute mine. In past debates on this topic I put up spreadsheets with calculations supporting my claims which were footnoted to actual reference sources so that you could refute the basis of those calculations. When you make these kinds of statements in the absense of anything more than unsupported claims and hyperbole, it makes it very hard for you to maintain any kind of credibility.

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Check for the books 'Around the World on Viski" by Don Shore, " Arctic Oddysy " by Len Sherman. "Northwest Passage on Ten Dollars a Day " by George Hone, and "No Fixed Address"by Clive Hamman for substantiation, unless you consider all these people and their crews liars, as determined by armchair experts who were not there, but can tell by their telepathic powers what really did or did not happen.
These are actual experiences, not abstract calculations, which have far less relevance, unless you are ready to tell NASA that they are wasting their time on testing gear to destruction, as you can give them far more accurate calculations than reality, on your computer. Perhaps you can save Ralph Nader a lot of product testing expenses, by telling him that he need only read the price tag on any item to find how good it is, or simply double the price on anything, to double the quality automatically.
One need only cruise the BC coast to find many of my boats cruising, and willing to tell you what they have expereinced in cruising them. Best get your advice on any boat, from those using them, not from those who have rarely, if ever, seen one.You dont have to cruise far to find one. What they have to say is far more valid than your armchair calculations, unless you consider anyone who disagrees with foregone, armchair conclusions, based on zero expereince in the boat being discused , to all be liars.
I dont need calculations to know that a 4 inch sch 40 stailnless pipe welded in to the deck, and a plate ten inches below it ,welded to the hull is stronger than a bolted down pot metal cleat.I dont need any calculations to know that a half inch stainless rod chock, fully welded into the steel bulwark is stronger than a bolted down "yachtie" chock on a teak rail. I donty need calculations to know that a 34 inch high, solid stainless sch 40 pipe rail is safer than knee high ""yachtie" plastic coated rails, the stanchions made out of something slightly thicker than stainless tinfoil. I don't need calculations to realise that an on epiece aluminium hatch is more waterproof, easier to use, and and tougher than a decorative teak sliding hatch and dropboards, a hairbrained arrangement. I dont need calculations to know that hands on building and cruising experience over 40 years produces a far better and more practical boat than calculatuions made by the best comnpruter whiz with minimal if any low budget ocean cruising expereince, off the beaten path. I dont need calculations to look at a 2x4 alongside a 4x4 and figure out which is the strongest.I dont need calculations to se that 3/16th aluminium block cheeks are stronger than plastic ones.I dont need calculations to see that the parts which make up a $30 block can be easily made in minutes ,out of less than $2 worth of material. Computers are no substitute for logic, and comon sense. abandoning the later and relying too much on the former, makes for many screwups.
Lack of logic has made many boats excessively expensive ,complicated and impractical for cruisers.
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

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I hit a rock at 6.5 knots in NIGHT RUNNER. Scared the shitski out of me. No damage at all except for a gouge in the lead.

Wooden boat.

I'm all out of crocks tonight. I'll get one for you in the morning Brent. You give new meaning to "Bouncing around the Salish Sea".
Bear in mind that this is the guy who considered it "Bad Seamanship " to give up a quarter knot for safety and strength!
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Back in 2004 had Alan Pape draw up plans for a nearly flush deck cutter with a pilot house/half house aft. Small cockpit. Rudder hung on gudgeons/pintles with a tiller. Went as far as to go to the local voc school and learn to use plamsa cutter and the three welding styles. Had a Miller in the basement for years. Wicked fun "pulling a puddle" and so different then my day job. At this point think above 40' Al still can make a lot of sense and >50' steel isn't a bad choice.
If someone dropped a huge bag of money on me would think about a 50-60' ketch in monel. No through hulls just standpipes. Have it compartmentalized fore and aft with integral tanks to make it in effect double hulled in the middle. Maybe Bob would like to draw it. Radius chine or at least soft chine.
Lary Pardy once told me his" Dream boat" would be copper nickle, no fouling and zero mainenance. I suggested he first ask Winston how much maintenance he does on his steel boat in a year before justifying the expense. My boat is an hour or two maintenance a year.
I once sold a set of plans to a guy in SE Asia who planned on building her in Copper Nickle. Some boats in Britain have been built out of the stuff.
Self antifouling. Very expensive.
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

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Bear in mind that this is the guy who considered it "Bad Seamanship " to give up a quarter knot for safety and strength!
My father was old school USN and of the many things he drilled into me one of them was There is only one thing more important than personal safety, and that's the safety of the crew (the safety of the vessels falls under both). I am constantly amazed how many of the things I learned from which can best be described as seamanship....people just don't consider anymore.
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

Brent;
Pleease don't send any of your nit whits to me. If they came to you initially there is no way in hell they are going to be people I would ever work with. But given the well documented navigational efforts and groundings of your clients you seem to have plenty of nit whits already so a few more can't hurt. I'm sure there are rocks yet to hit and ice fields yet to plow.
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I just had a flash.Maybe we are looking at this all wrong.We spend alot of energy avoiding reefs and ledges,containers etc.Maybe we should design our boats to intentionaly hit rocks!.It would give yacht racing a whole new flavor and excitement.Like combining a monster truck rally with the Rolex big boat series.Start by samshing into the breakwater at the St Francis yacht club,then bash into Alcatraz.then the south tower of the golden gate bridge then a fast run down to smash into Treasure Island!,whatta ya think?
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

Jak:
I think you have hit (no pun intended) on a great new way to organize a race course.

First leg: Hit the rock off the Ladies Ledge.
second leg:Hit the rock of Halibut Point.
Third leg: hit the rock off Dumb Shits Rock.

The race committee would have to have the boat hauled and checked for approptriate marks to verify roundings.

In the winter time we coud have the Ice Plow regatta.
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

Funny name on a steel boat I saw a awhile back: Reef Magnet
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

so it IS OK to hit blakely rock on the way around her! wow, not so sure she would like getting hit by 130 someodd boats going around her. Or what about poor old fastnet rock, a 1000 or so boats over a day or two or three.......might take awhile for those poor things to heel!

I think I will stick to missing them thar rocks......

SO which boat at csr is sliver? I was over there twice yesterday, might be by there tomorrow.....need to check up on all them boats in the yard that hit rocks........like glory doing the van-isle.......survived just fine being anything but a steel hull!.....

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Jak:
I think you have hit (no pun intended) on a great new way to organize a race course.

First leg: Hit the rock off the Ladies Ledge.
second leg:Hit the rock of Halibut Point.
Third leg: hit the rock off Dumb Shits Rock.

The race committee would have to have the boat hauled and checked for approptriate marks to verify groundings.

In the winter time we coud have the Ice Plow regatta.
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