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Huh? Shooting trees is fun.

....especially with a 3030, 12-gauge solid, or something equally as impressive. After all, what else are you going to shoot? Boats??
how about this?
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In these islands internet access is sporadic and often unavailable, so I don't get to read all the posts, and missed your post on your cost spreadsheet on building one of my boats . What page is it on? I'd be happy to go over it and give alternatives to needless high costs. .

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Your defensive posture is sounding silly and redundant. You don't talk over my head. You talk out of your rear end.

"Then why do so many ,who have started with a fibreglass boat, eventually gravitate to one of mine," Come on now Brent. This is a joke. Right? " " So many"? You are truly delusional.

My clients are happy and we remain friends. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will take away from what I have done. Your angry words can't change reality.

"Karate is a joke"? Your ignorance knows no bounds. So you got your ass kicked and you quit. That's not the fault of the martial art.

Still waiting for those four or five Dutch boats built to you plans.
Waiting.
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Changing the subject again?
Waiting.
I have had far more work come my way from people disillusioned with fibreglass boats than I could ever do. Go read Jimmy Cornell's book "Modern Offshore cruising" and read what those who have far more cruising experience than you will ever have, have to say about their choice of material for their next boat.
Macolm was anything but happy about your Reliance 37 or the disinformation you gave him about directional stability. You had it 180 degrees bass ackwards.
I dont keep track of all the books and plans I send out . You have also stated that you forget how many boats you have designed.
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If you had boats built in Holland you would have remembered. Buy you don't and you don't. Just more empty claims.

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I have had far more work come my way from people disillusioned with fibreglass boats than I could ever do. Go read Jimmy Cornell's book "Modern Offshore cruising" and read what those who have far more cruising experience than you will ever have, have to say about their choice of material for their next boat.
Macolm was anything but happy about your Reliance 37 or the disinformation you gave him about directional stability. You had it 180 degrees bass ackwards.
I dont keep track of all the books and plans I send out . You have also stated that you forget how many boats you have designed.
Traditional karate guys get their asses kicked when they try mixed martial arts. Karate black belts don't stand a chance against a good amateur boxer. Bruce Lee said traditional karate is 80% bull!
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Chuck Norris wouldn't stand a chance against a good amateur boxer. Thai kick boxers kicked his ass at the peak of his career. It was told in Black Belt Magazine in the winter of 68- 69.
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Unfortunately but typically Brent again you have some bad information at your fingertips.
I would never have told anyone that asymetry in waterlines helped directional stability. I would have told them the opposite. My German friend with the Reliance offshore cruisi ng right nw seems to be very happy with the boat. Reality. But just like my mythical 28' custom alu boat you "invented" you rely on your manufactured stories to make a point. That's be dishonest.

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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

One of the few things I actually remember from law school (many, many moons ago) was from my trial advocacy professor. He said, "if you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither, pound the table."

Methinks that Brent jumped into table pounding long ago. Nothing anyone says is going to change his mind or force him to address the facts, scientific analyses or personal experiences that have been offered here that deviate from his world view.

There always has been and hopefully always will be a place in this world for the iconoclast who rejects the majority viewpoint. Brent, I acknowledge and salute your commitment to your vision. But not everyone who buys a fiberglass boat is an idiot, and not every mass-marketed piece of equipment is a rip-off.

A little nuance, please.
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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

The original reason I mentioned steel boats built in the Netherlands is due to the number of truly beautiful ( with no fairing) well designed 40-60' sailboats that country produces. I understand why high latitude sailors and those constructing boats over 100' may gravitate to steel ( now more commonly Aluminum) but I don't understand Brent's comments. We expected to spend some time sorting out our boat. It's taking time working through the systems so we are in a slip. On my finger pier are a 70's something couple in a Valiant ( 20+yrs) who have gone across the Pond multiple times, a swan 44 which has circumnavigated, a Morris which commutes to St John's from R.I. biannually, a Ta Shing with a single gentleman who is a liveaboard going up and down the coast. A J46- same deal, a IP46 (coastal), a custom B 60 which I believe got here from France on her own bottom and me. All glass boats from new to an example each decade back. Oh yes there is a metal boat. It's an aluminum power cat used for day trips. Seems lots of folks are still voyaging in GRP or variants and these boats keep going to sea through the decades safely clocking thousands and thousands of miles.
Brent I did not disparage steel boats. ?Why are you disparaging GRP as it is clear to any long term sailor it is a good material for voyagers and liveaboards?

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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

Oh by the way -Brent. Been out sailing every chance I get. What joy. Even in the light to moderate air of the last few days pretty easy to keep the boat in the mid to high 8s. Perhaps you would like to compare polars Brent. We are sailors and don't have Norhavens or the like for the joy of sailing.

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