Yacht Design Student
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hill Country of Texas
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I've just finished reading every post in this thread -- fascinating! My family owned #104 from late 1971 when we watched her being built in NOTL to about 6 years ago when Dad jumped at the opportunity to grab a Nonsuch 354 for a great price. It really hurt to see the boat that I grew up on go to a stranger, but I'm told it is still well kept up and loved.
I completely agree with those who rejected Jeff's assessment of her performance. The Altair won enough hardware during her racing days to fill a small room, and we knew that some folks were going out and buying the "hottest" from year to year just to take us on (so that they could salvage their boat-dealer reputations!) As we slipped past a Ranger 3/4ton one Saturday afternoon, the owner looked at us with half a grin and said, "Those damn C&C's!"
The '30 is a great boat for a beginner, spicy enough to make things interesting yet predictable enough to stay out of trouble with. The advice to put time in on dinghys is some of the best advice yet (better than mine) because it will teach you how to be in tune with the boat. Then sail your 30 like a big dinghy; get the big headsail down before you think you need to, keep her on her feet more or less, and she will duly reward you. Our family of 4 would spend 2-3 weeks on extended cruising every summer on her, and she kept us well looked after. I'd buy one in a New York minute if I could, and the loyalty of those who have owned one is pretty good testimony!
Issues to watch for in a C&C 30 have been summed up well already, but I would add this:
1. Even our fairly early boat had an aluminum mast step. Much desirable over the wood, as we would occasionally get rain and condensation running down the interior of the mast.
2. Mandatory maintenance includes tightening all deck fasteners once per year. The balsa core in the deck is vulnerable to moisture and will quickly rot, leaving a spongy deck in the area (at best) and requiring a rather costly repair.
3. The portlights. Ours liked to leak, and it was a challenge to stop the leaks sometimes. They also hazed (ours were clear, of the pre-smoked plexi days.)
4. The Atomic-4. Our water pump impeller let go on our very first cruise (that was an exciting story, but for another time,) had several niggling quirks, and ultimately required having the valve seats reground. These were great engines overall, but I'd opt for a diesel if I could get a '30 with one.
5. The alcohol stove/oven. Well worth the trouble to convert to propane (or find a boat that is already so equipped.)
6. Rudder post bushings. Ours squalled from the first, not badly but just annoyingly. I understand some of the later ones were problematic. Keep a weather eye out -- not an expensive replacement, but something requiring attending to.
Whenever we were on the market for our boat, we were sailing an HR-25, built like a tank in the same plant that C&C later purchased. We started to look around for a used Erikson 29, because Eriksons are also well built, or else a Redwing 30, built by George Hinterhoeller. In the process of watching the 25 being built, we got to know Mr. Hinterhoeller himself, and a number of great folks that worked for him. Mr. Hinterhoeller's personal boat of choice? A C&C 30.
Glad to share more of what I know about them if you PM me -- I've already posted a small tome here!
Last edited by McKinneyYD; 04-29-2010 at 11:13 AM.
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