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Still looking for the perfect boat.

Thanks everyone for the continuing encouragement and advice. I'm still searching for the perfect boat. I've looked at about 40 boats from Portland to Victoria since I started this thread and I am learning so much. I've seen three C&C 30's, none in the right condition for me. I'm scheduled to see another one tomorrow and I'm hoping it's in good shape. Other boats that I've seen and liked are the Albin Ballad (beautiful, beautiful), the Cal 2-29, Niagara 26 (very well built, just not enough headroom), and Ericson's from 27 to 35 but have yet to find one that has been well maintained.

On another note, yesterday I did some fun docking and anchoring exercises with OWSA, the local women's sailing club, and I got myself thrown into the water by the force of the anchor line. It was quite the learning experience! People, do cleat your anchor line down before motoring forward to release the anchor from the bottom, always, always wear your PFD, and carry a swim ladder that actually reaches far enough down into the water that you can climb aboard. (Also realize that no matter how well you can swim and how comfortable you are in the water, the force and surprise of being thrown into the water will set your autonomic nervous system into high gear making you gasp for air. Tell yourself to relax, count to five slowly, and bring yourself under control. I now understand why people can die even if they are good swimmers.) Sometimes you have to learn the hard way!
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A Nice C & C 30


We have a well maintained 1974 in Vancouver BC that I posted about yesterday if you're interested. We just purchased an O'Day 39 in Bellingham and the C & C must go.
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Hey Liefie! I just happened on your thread! welcome to sailnet!

Looking at the C & C 30 the primary winches seem to be close nuff to the wheel to let you single hand . I use yacht braid on my jib sheets and I can just toss em around the winches most of the time and not leave the helm. Routing the main halyard to the cabin roof and back to the cockpit with a small winch and rope clutch are a lifesaver too.

Good luck on your search!

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The c&c 30 is a great singlehander. I sail it singlehanded often and frequently race it singlehanded (a lot of times I'm singlehanding even with another person on board). The primaries are reachable from the helm. The traveler is immediately forward of the wheel. The only times I need to go forward are to:
raise, drop, or change a headsail (I don't have roller furling)
reef the main (I have jiffy reefing but use a hook for the luff)
raise or lower an anchor (rare)
It's a small-enough boat to leave or pull into a slip by myself even in a strong crosswind.

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I've just finished reading every post in this thread -- fascinating! My family owned #104 from late 1971 when we watched her being built in NOTL to about 6 years ago when Dad jumped at the opportunity to grab a Nonsuch 354 for a great price. It really hurt to see the boat that I grew up on go to a stranger, but I'm told it is still well kept up and loved.

I completely agree with those who rejected Jeff's assessment of her performance. The Altair won enough hardware during her racing days to fill a small room, and we knew that some folks were going out and buying the "hottest" from year to year just to take us on (so that they could salvage their boat-dealer reputations!) As we slipped past a Ranger 3/4ton one Saturday afternoon, the owner looked at us with half a grin and said, "Those damn C&C's!"

The '30 is a great boat for a beginner, spicy enough to make things interesting yet predictable enough to stay out of trouble with. The advice to put time in on dinghys is some of the best advice yet (better than mine) because it will teach you how to be in tune with the boat. Then sail your 30 like a big dinghy; get the big headsail down before you think you need to, keep her on her feet more or less, and she will duly reward you. Our family of 4 would spend 2-3 weeks on extended cruising every summer on her, and she kept us well looked after. I'd buy one in a New York minute if I could, and the loyalty of those who have owned one is pretty good testimony!

Issues to watch for in a C&C 30 have been summed up well already, but I would add this:
1. Even our fairly early boat had an aluminum mast step. Much desirable over the wood, as we would occasionally get rain and condensation running down the interior of the mast.
2. Mandatory maintenance includes tightening all deck fasteners once per year. The balsa core in the deck is vulnerable to moisture and will quickly rot, leaving a spongy deck in the area (at best) and requiring a rather costly repair.
3. The portlights. Ours liked to leak, and it was a challenge to stop the leaks sometimes. They also hazed (ours were clear, of the pre-smoked plexi days.)
4. The Atomic-4. Our water pump impeller let go on our very first cruise (that was an exciting story, but for another time,) had several niggling quirks, and ultimately required having the valve seats reground. These were great engines overall, but I'd opt for a diesel if I could get a '30 with one.
5. The alcohol stove/oven. Well worth the trouble to convert to propane (or find a boat that is already so equipped.)
6. Rudder post bushings. Ours squalled from the first, not badly but just annoyingly. I understand some of the later ones were problematic. Keep a weather eye out -- not an expensive replacement, but something requiring attending to.

Whenever we were on the market for our boat, we were sailing an HR-25, built like a tank in the same plant that C&C later purchased. We started to look around for a used Erikson 29, because Eriksons are also well built, or else a Redwing 30, built by George Hinterhoeller. In the process of watching the 25 being built, we got to know Mr. Hinterhoeller himself, and a number of great folks that worked for him. Mr. Hinterhoeller's personal boat of choice? A C&C 30.

Glad to share more of what I know about them if you PM me -- I've already posted a small tome here!

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Smile C&C 30 single handed

I am interested in Jeff H response. I'm looking at a C&C 30 and a Pearson 30 for a first boat. I've crewed for 3 years now on an Express 30 and sailed a CL 14 for over 15 years. I too will do alot of single handed sailing after my son goes to college in 3 years. So I'm looking for any comparisons between single handling a C&C 30 and a Pearson 30. I will be sailing mosty on Lake Erie in the Great Lakes.
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I can't comment on the C&C 30, but I do have an observation that may be helpful. We bought our Lancer 25 a couple of hours after we looked at a 23 footer (Precision I think). The additional 2 feet made ALL the difference. It was twice the boat for a couple of hundred more. But, for the additional accommodations I am probably paying a premium in ease of handling. A 30 footer might compound that. Also, our boat is trailerable. The real payoff there is slip/mooring fees, winter storage, hauling and the like. She's outside my kitchen window right now, snug under a blanket of fresh snow. We're redoing the upholstery this winter. No problem! She's right outside. Not stored on somebody else's land, 10 miles away. Many people do have larger, slipped boats and are very happy with the arrangement.

Sorry, I'm running at the mouth. Allow me to sum up,

30 foot good - 25 might be better for single lady
shoal keel maybe good
trailerable might work for you

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if you can afford it DO the extra 2 feet.

Really? think a bought it
Bottom job $15.00 a foot x 25 feet = 375.
Bottom job $15.00 a foot x 30 feet = 450.

Dock space.
10.50 a foot x 25 foot x 12 months = $3,150.00 per year
10.50 a foot x 30 foot x 12 months = $3,780.00 per year

Sure itís a little more. But for the extra space well worth it.
In this size class 18 - 35 foot if you canít afford it stick with a trailer sailor.
but if you can afford it, donít skimp on size skimp on something else.
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I spent almost a year doing the same as you....Asking lots of questions and poured over the web looking for opinions and boat reviews. First major boat purchase is worth agonizing over. Take your time!

I Started looking in the 22-24 ft range, but was never quite satisfied with the appointments.
Ended up purchasing a C&C 29 . A wee bit tender, but she handles nicely. Although nothing like the 29 MK1 , I hear nothing but rave reviews of the C&C 30....but in all fairness I am in the middle of C&C Country.
Regarding the size , I am so glad I didn't go smaller. The 29 gives me enough displacement i feel comfortable in the Great Lakes, but still small enough I can get great response from her as I continue to master the finer points of sail trim.
Good Luck with whatever you choose!
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Sorry about that last post- I missed the huge gap in the post dates
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